Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisi Harrison


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The result was keep. John254 03:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Lisi Harrison

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Unnotable author of a single series of teen books. While the books recently passed AfD and may have marginal notability, that does not make their author instantly notable. She fails WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE, with the entire article being a summary of her website. No significant coverage of her apart from mentioning her names in discussions about the actual books. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 17:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak neutral for now I have yet to find sources, but I'm sure at least one exists. Also, WP:NOTINHERITED aside, I find it kind of strange that the books would be notable but the author not. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Its not that strange. We have many films that are notable, but their directors, producers, screenwriters, etc are not. There are also quite a few other books that are notable, but their authors are not on Wiki now. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 18:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * for a film the responsibility is diffuse; there are multiple parties, and it is almost never the case that everyone listed in the credits is notable. But for a book, the responsibility is single--the author. Where your analogy would apply, is that publishing a single series of books does not necessarily make the publisher notable, or the copy-editor. DGG (talk) 03:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * COnsidering some of these books aren't even written by the people whose name is on them, I think it could still be appropriate. It also doesn't negate that we do have other notable books whose authors are not notable. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 04:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep New York Times #1 bestselling author. Suggesting an author cannot become notable by writing notable books is extremely silly.  Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * comment - do we have any evidence that she even exists? There are no sources provided to show that she isn't as fictional as Carolyn Keene or Betty Crocker. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've always rather assumed it was a pen name of someone or other, especially due to apparently only one highly model-ish looking picture existing of her and her official bio not actually making any sense: She went to college at age 18, graduated 2 years later, worked for MTV for 12 years... and now she's 27. 18+2+12=27?  Must be Canadian math.  But until we have a reliable source that spills the beans, we should go with the official line.  Verifiability, not truth and all that. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  19:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * a person notable under a pseudonym is notable; we have hundreds of such articles. DGG (talk) 03:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Born July 1975 makes her age 33, which would be more consistent. I don't see too much dodgy in the bio.MadScot666 (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Her official Myspace page claims she's 27, but I guess it's hardly the only inaccurate Myspace page out there. In any case, she's notable whether a real person or a pen name.  Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  21:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - I'd have to say this is a frivolous nomination. The wikipedian who nominated this AfD has already failed in her AfD for all the books. Dems on the move (talk) 18:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you actually have a point? The books != author, and so far, there seems to be more consensus for merging those articles, despite your snippy comment, than leaving them as individuals. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 20:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess my comment was a little over the top. However, please consider withdrawing your nomination. As you can see, this nomination seems to be heading towards a keep. Dems on the move (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per Starblind.  D C E dwards 1966  19:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - anyone whose books hit the top of the NYT charts is certainly notable. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 20:12, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see how she fails WP:CREATIVE, considering one of the criteria listed there is, "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." The Clique is a bestselling series that has had multiple independent reviews — TIME magazine:, School Library Journal: , Booklist: , Publishers Weekly: , Kliatt: , Teens Read Too:    , Romantic Times:  , TeenReads:  (reviews each volume individually), BookLoons:   , MyShelf:   , Discovery Journey: , Curled Up Kids: , The Daily Orange: ,The Virginian Pilot: , New England Reading Association Journal: , Pittsburgh City Paper: . And these are just the sources that I have covering individual volumes that I found for previous AfDs. Definitely notable. And there are sources out there which could be used as references for the article: , , ,  ... and these are just a few quick examples. -- KittyRainbow (talk) 23:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep There may possibly be a question over whether an author of a single notable book is notable (I would say it depends on the degree of notability) but the author of multiple notable books is so obviously notable by common sense that I am truly puzzled by this nomination. DGG (talk) 03:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep NYT bestselling author and KittyRainbow has shown a large number of sources. Edward321 (talk) 05:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


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