Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List Of Criminals


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete.  Majorly   (hot!)  00:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

List Of Criminals

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Was tagged for speedy deletion with the following rationale: "The people in this list can be encompassed by those lists in Category:Lists of criminals, so this is unneeded". I agree, but this fits no WP:CSD. The deletion was contested by the author, see the hangon tag in the history, so WP:PROD is also out. Sandstein 05:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. List badly fails NPOV guidelines, as "criminal" can mean different things. If it means anyone convicted of a crime, why are Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Joan of Arc, Charles I of England, Anne Boleyn, Mary Queen of Scots, Robert Downey Jr., Winona Ryder, etc. not on this list? Also, as is, falsely associates one living person with a criminal record with a list of known murderers, mass-murderers, and inciters to mass murder, and could be considered a violation of WP:BLP. -- Charlene  06:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per User:Charlene.fic, the term is way too general. -- lucasbfr talk 09:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Also, that's a reeeeally short list of criminals. Virtual Cowboy 11:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - indiscriminate unmaintainable list. Otto4711 12:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete This article is stupid for a few reasons. First of all, it only has 6 criminals listed. Ok I could probably spend 5 minutes and make the list 300 long (which is still to small for a list of crimals).  Secondly, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information -- s u m n j i m  talk with me·changes 12:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as a shining example of an indiscriminate list. What is the criteria for inclusion if there are only 6 people? I don't presume to know everything, but I damn sure know that there have been more than 6 criminals during the span of human existence. -- Cy ru s   An dir on  [[Image:Flag_of_Indiana.svg|24px]] 12:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Category Even if this article could be made acceptable for Wikipedia, it would have to be so massive that it couldn't fit within a browser. Isn't there a whole category already for this purpose? Life, Liberty, Property 13:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete If restricted to those convicted of crimes, it would have millions of names. Here is where categories should work fine to tie together those notable criminals who have articles in Wikipedia. Edison 16:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete this is possibly the stupidest list I've ever seen and I've seen some stinkers. Besides, while he was no doubt a Very Bad Man, would User:TedizKiller care to tell us what crime "Adolph" (or even Adolf) Hitler (or even Lee Harvey Oswald, come to that?) was convicted of? —  irides centi   (talk to me!)  17:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I know I'm arguing semantics here, but just because they died before they were tried/convicted of their crimes, doesn't mean, IMHO, that they aren't criminals. A crime is a crime is a crime is a crime. -- s u m n j i m  talk with me·changes 19:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - if we're being pedantic, someone is not a criminal until they are convicted of a crime. --Haemo 19:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Do you consider Jack the Ripper a criminal? -- s u m n j i m  talk with me·changes 20:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's worth pointing out that Adolf Hitler was convicted of at least one serious crime during his own lifetime: he was imprisoned for treason following the Beer Hall Putsch. *** Crotalus *** 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per just about everyone else. Burntsauce 17:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOT. Clearly an indiscriminate collection of information.  As has been stated already, "criminal" is too vague a word to make for good inclusion criteria.  Ark yan  &#149; (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 'Delete - yowza. If there's ever a list that's too broad, it's this one.  I'll bet a "List of people with red hair" would be shorter.  --Haemo 19:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Maybe redirect to Category:Lists of criminals. --Dookama 23:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete hopelessly impractical. Carlossuarez46 23:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for too many problems to list. Doczilla 07:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Is this all the criminals there have been, then? What about the bloke who nicked my video a few years back? And what's this assertion that Hitler was a democrat? That's news. Really this list is baggy, amorphous and unmaintainable. And useless. BTLizard 10:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Where is the List of honest people? It might be so much shorter that we could well include it. Edison 17:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete; if this were taken seriously, it would be a grotesquely unmaintainable and indiscriminate list; as is, it is basically a veiled attack page against 50 Cent and therefore a violation of WP:BLP. *** Crotalus *** 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. indiscriminate list —dima/talk/ 04:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - We cannot have lists of every one who has committed a crime: it would not be encyclopaedic, and would probably breach European data protection legislation if complete and accurate. If inaccurate, it would lead to proceedings for libel.  This kind of list is much better as a category: for example Al Capone is categorised as in 'American Criminals'.  We do not need more.   Peterkingiron 22:55, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


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