Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List Of Probable Buddhas And Bodhisattvas In Human History


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The result was Delete JForget  01:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

List Of Probable Buddhas And Bodhisattvas In Human History

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To avoid offending the author, let us just say "original research" and leave it at that. -- RHaworth 18:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

First let me ask what life are you on? I composed this list. Though I suppose it should be linked to the Buddha article and have more explanation and would be better off with more research (a thing I'm not big on). Mostly I just believe you doubt my Buddhahood and knowledge. Buddhahood can be ascertained with proper knowledge. Delete it if you want. I know the truth and am trying to spread it. The List of Buddha claimants is absolute garbage. So is the current state of the world and changes need to be made.Ezdan1022 21:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 21:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ezdan1022 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Who's the smartass who posted on the preceding comment?  DO NOT edit other people's posts.  You may not agree with Ezdan, but he's got the same rights as any other user.  Mandsford 23:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am the, as you so delicately put it, smartass, who posted the fact tag. It was not, as you seem to assume, meant to insinuate that he was not in his right to post what he wants. It was meant to request sources to back up one particular sentence, which otherwise may be perceived to have only limited value for the discussion. Mlewan 09:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "I know the truth and am trying to spread it"..."changes need to be made". Kinda says it all really. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Delete. Tx17777 20:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 21:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 21:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as original research and possible hoax. --Hnsampat 19:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as not verifiable. Mlewan 20:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Nominator is gracious about this one. Whatever life you're on, Haworth, may it be a long and prosperous one. Ezdan, I hope that your issues can be resolved.  You seem to be a good person who may need to seek help.  Mandsford 21:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

My above statement was fueled by a little ire. I need to do more research on this to verify all as correct as possible. Right now I am %50 or more sure. It is a project I will continue with. But that is no worse than that Buddha claimants list. I don't need to seek help. And the list is pretty accurate. It is an ability as a 9th Life Enlightened Buddha on The Path of No More Learning I have ascertained. I have also composed a Utopia guideline to have peace on Earth and etc. Delete it if you want I will bear no hard feelings currently. If only for I should do more research, though I am pretty much satisfied with my work so far. And I don't appreciate people questioning my intelligence. I know who I am. and this signature thing and navigating Wki is new to me. Instead of knocking me you should be asking me how I composed the list.Ezdan1022 21:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 21:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 21:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 21:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)Ezdan1022 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ezdan1022 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Ezdan1022 21:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You say that you yourself have composed this list and freely admit that it is your own research. While I appreciate you may be new to wikipedia, I suggest you read the WP:OR section so you may understand the objections people have to this article. Tx17777 22:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. How did you compose the list? Mlewan 22:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm interested too. How did you compose the list of these particularly persons?  Click on the name and it takes you to my talk page.  One can say anything in a discussion or talk page on Wikipedia as long as it remains civil.  But bear in mind that a Wikipedia article isn't the place for any of us to post out own original ideas and insights.  Mandsford 23:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I'm never going to be able to listen to Scott Weiland the same way again.  Or Mozart.  Do I doubt your Buddhahood?  In a word, yes. Cosmo0 22:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Come on, Jimi Hendrix? Michelangelo? William Shakespeare? Come on, this is definitely either a hoax or just some sort of joke. Either way, non notable. I think it would be an interesting list if some research was put into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IamMcLovin (talk • contribs) 00:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as EXTREMELY original research. As someone who has had some experience with mania-induced God complexes, this has many of the classic qualities.  I had a plan to save the world once, too.  Luckily, this was before I found WP, so I didn't create an article on MusicMaker5376 as Messiah.  Too bad.  &mdash;   Music  Maker  5376  03:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Per obvious. "List Of Improbable Buddhas And Bodhisattvas In Human History" would have been a far more interesting hoax (though it might have contained many of the same candidates). --Folantin 07:46, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. If I am the "atleast one moron" referred to in your myspace blog entry (now deleted), please refer to me by name and link to my page on myspace ! -- RHaworth 08:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Some of this is funny and some of it is sad. I tell you as a Buddha I have gained the ability to ascertain approx where everyone is on the Samsara scale. This is my last life and I'm on the Path of No More Learning. So not to be humble I know everything now and I'm leaving soon. And in some ways I hope really soon. And one person said Wiki is not a soapbox. This is true to a great extent but this is the Talk section so a soapbox seems permissible to me. And as I said in the article Buddhas know their enlightened and Bodhisattvas are enlightened and enact enlightened but don't seem to be totally aware of it. The inclusion of Scott Weiland was a bone of contention with a Life 8 person I know. The 2 components of figuring out Buddhahood are looks and intelligence. Buddhas have a distinct look to them. Not to be offensive to anyone but they are usually good looking. For an accurate description of the looks indicator see some the Physical Buddha Features List on here somewhere. And also intelligence and usually artistic intelligence. The artistic intelligence usually consists of a pure exuberance or singularity of creation. Most importantly I must say that in the end it comes to looking at someone to see if the battle of Good and Evil is still raging inside their heads. Buddhas are released from the battle of Good and Evil and it shows in their looks and their demeanor. Sorry all you scientists though you accomplishments are great and I cannot build a rocket or expalain quantum physics. Artists seem to be the utlimate accomplishment of people. After all when we have Utopian technology we aren't going to be worried about engineering things anymore we will be able to create a world of art. I surmise this Star Trek technology is far off but it is not hard to imagine it just go watch Star Trek. And I'm also upset someone deleted my New World Utopia guidelines. Yes we can have peace on Earth and everywhere else we all just need to be EQUAL. It's very simple people. Utopianism 1. We must do away with all form of monetary funds; we are just supplying a service. 2. We must do away with competition. Company A and Company B are making the same thing. There is simply no point. 3. The issue of a practical energy source. We need to develop other sources of energy in lieu of eventually getting of this planet. 4. We should initially refurbish housing of all to pleasing and acceptable standards then for every family unit to inhabit equitable residences. 5. We develop a free universal health care system. 6. The issue of the penal system. Prisons need to be less cruel and inhumane. 7. Education is free. 8. Our world governments shall dissolve under the above system concentrating a great extent on space exploration in lieu of the fact that Earth will not last forever. 9. The above steps will allow for an alleviated workload on ourselves meaning our times of labor will be cut in half if we wish. 10. Lastly not least, the above will allow us for more time to create a world of art. I sent this to Barack Obama and he reads my MySpace e-mails regularly. He is about a Life 7 or 6 I would say. This is just from memory without looking at his pic or anything. Samsara scale isn't so easy. You should try. And ascertaining these individuals get harder the further back you go because of lack of photos, video and history. Admittedly this list needs further work so the deletion of it I do not object to. It is on my MySpace blog so anyone can look at it there. But I am upset obout someone deleting my Utopia guidelines and leaving that old antiquated info that claims there can be no Utopia. There can be Utopian and peace on Earth when we are all equal. Except that research section at the end. That claimed essentially we can have peace on Earth thru a global effort. Which is true we can't set up the world equally w/o a concerted effort. As far as the Buddha List being a hoax. Whatever I'm laughing at that. And as far as the fact that I need to seek help. I'm trying not to be insulting here but you should be the one seeking help if you haven't achieved enlightenment yet. It's really easy unless you wanna stick around on Earth alot longer which I guess is OK. My life has kinda sucked through alot of fault of my own so I'm not to keen on Earth right now. Asides from the issues I have with the needless suffering humanity endures I'm not talking war I'm talking deformity and disease and pain. But I am real pissed someone deleted my New World Utopia edit and I may put it back up there. And I am using real criteria to ascertain Buddhahood so w/e on that too. But I understand the nascence of this art so I understand your objection. And yes I called you Wiki Pharisees and morons. When someone is posting the TRUTH and some small minded person deletes it. Well I hope that suffices. and don't think I didn't know you people would come out of the woodwork for this. I also think Star Wars is 3 more films and it is on my Blog feel free to peruse. And yes I have tried to get it to George Lucas but who knows if he has gotten it. Hollywood lives in an Ivory Tower and so does Washington D.C. to an extent - but not as much as Hollywood. Oh and sorry someone please write an article on my Alec Kipling story it'll help get my films made - hopefully. It's all on my blog. Sorry off topic.Ezdan1022 14:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your article will, in all likelihood, be deleted. Please do not take it personally should this happen.  There are rules that govern what gets kept on Wikipedia, and that is the cost that comes with the benefit.  You appear to be an intelligent individual who is overworked and is dealing with a lot of stress and frustration.  It happens to all of us at one time or another.  You will not be surrendering your beliefs, nor betraying your faith, by getting help or by taking some time for yourself.  Mandsford 16:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying my article is not the truth? Or the closest approximation to it able to ascertained at this time? WELL IT IS. Are you afraid of the truth? Can you not handle the truth? Apparently so. Delete the article if you wish. It is a close approximation of the truth though further research is needed to display the information in the most pristine state as possible. As I have stated my abilities for ascertaining the list above that may develop further but are about as good as they are going to get. Short of further studying the history, images and output of the individuals. Which I really don't care to do I'm an enlightened being on my last life all I really have to do is enjoy the bliss I have achieved and get out of here. I don't appreciate any people telling me I suffer from stress or what-have-you. I am an enlightened being and from the information all the individuals presently have displayed you are not. Work hard to seek your salvation because attacking my sanity has gotten annoying. Look at the list on my MySpace blog.Ezdan1022 18:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ezdan, if you have a blog, I think you have the answer. Your writings to not fit in Wikipedia, as they are not sourced - it does not matter if they are the truth or not. However, they are perfect material for a blog. Post all of them there. Whoever searches shall find your blog. Mlewan 18:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Well all things were not sourced until they were sourced. Atleast that is true for alot of the non-scientific material on here as it applies to spritual matters or pseudo-spiritual matters and other stuff. Just look at the list of Buddha claimants for that fact. Dalai Lama ain't no Buddha. And neither is that Buddha kid that sits under a tree and twiddles his thumbs. Or a few of those dumb white guys on there. But the list says claimants as my list says probable. As far as a scientific or artistic study of the Samsara scale is concerned it could be done. But would be part artistic, a little science, and alot of faith. Nevertheless any such study would require alot more resources than I have at my disposal. Well anyways. Atleast some of you have apprently been swayed to my validity as RHaworth has requested to be my friend on MySpace and I have approved. Thank you for your patience and consideration on this matter. If anyone would like to inquire further of the ability of the "Samsara Scale" e-mail me at ezgrater@hotmail.com. Though I surmise you may have all attained suffice information to satiate you until you achieve enlightenment yourself.Ezdan1022 23:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


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