Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List Of United States and Mexican States By Population


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 05:41, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

List Of United States and Mexican States By Population

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Unnecessary intersection of lists, already covered by lists of US states and Mexican states. I can find no indication that this is a common occurrence in WP:RS. Contested PROD, removed by creator (who has created a number of questionable lists lately) Ravendrop 03:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE: I don't have a problem with the article in most part, but For consistencey purposes, Canadian provinces should also be include to emcompass the entire North American continent. Just the U.S. and Mexico being covered is awkward. --Moreau36--Discuss 03:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I would like to keep this article because it shows the population between the United States and Mexico states from being the highest population and their population change according to the Population Census taken in 2010 in both countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexis Rojas (talk • contribs)
 * But why should it do that? You've just described it but have not justified it.  postdlf (talk) 03:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment This is very well executed, interesting, and I like it, since I live in the United States and enjoyed comparing states I know to the closest Mexican State (which most Americans, including I, aren't familiar with)-- Virginia to Veracruz, Maryland to Puebla (both 5.77 million), Minnesota to Guanajuato, Alabama to Chiapas (both nearly 4.8 million), Kentucky to Michoacan (4.3 million) etc.; I'll probably save it on my own hard drive. However, it can't be kept as a Wikipedia article, simply because anything can be compared to anything-- American states to Mexican states, German states to Colombian provinces, Canadian provinces to Russian oblasts, etc.  I like the format of the sortable table and the symbols of each state, and if Wikipedia were exclusively an American service, then it would be appropriate as a way to educate us about the rest of the world from our own American perspective.  You can see the problems, though, if the door were opened to comparing one nation's states to those of another, even two nations that border each other.  Mandsford 03:59, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Well this can be shown to compare the population in states from different countries and show there different population changes in a 10 years or wath-ever so i dont know why would they delete it. User:Alexis Rojas 12.02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, that's what it does, but why do that? The population of Mexico is 1/3 that of the U.S., it has 2/3 the number of states, and about 1/5 of the area...so other than them neighboring each other, why would their states be in any way meaningfully analogous to each other?  Is this comparison something that any reliable sources have made, and can you explain how we could allow this comparison, without allowing 40,000 such comparisons, as noted below?  postdlf (talk) 18:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete An encyclopedia is for simple facts and information. If we mix and match there is no end. There are about 200 nations. It would take 40,000 articles to compare each to each one time. Then there are many ways to compare: Mexican food to Chinese food, Russian forestry to Canadian forestry, South African music to Indonesian music and so on. I don't see why WP should compare the population of US and Mexican states. What is so special about that? Wolfview (talk) 06:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No specific justification was provided why this list is any special. Why not compare cities in every adjacent countries? Belgium and Holland? Israel and Egypt? Pointless. --Muhandes (talk) 19:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. --TorriTorri(talk/contribs) 21:36, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment True, I can see where WP:NOT might apply here. Still, the larger problem is in establishing the notability of the subject, and that's generally not possible in comparison articles-- in other words, no real way to say that a comparison of the states of any given "nation x and nation y" is more notable than any other.  There is always room for improvement on other existing articles by using sortable tables, which only became feasible in the last couple of years.  Hopefully, there will be a renaming of List of Mexican states by area which can be sorted by population and other factors.  And, I would add, there is a need to upgrade one of the U.S. states articles to that level.  We have a List of U.S. states and territories by population and a List of U.S. states and territories by area, but no table that lists both.  Oddly enough, the one article that you would think would list both area and population, List of U.S. states by population density, has neither, which is kind of dense.  Finally, we actually have lists of all of the world's first tier subnational divisions, but all of them are of such size that they are difficult to use.  My feeling is that, although this article itself shouldn't be kept, you have some great skills in sorting data concisely, and that I encourage you to use those to improve existing pages.  Mandsford 17:15, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - if this is deleted, please delete the other version, the one with the proper capitalization, as seen here List of United States and Mexican states by population. And if not deleted, please redirect this version to that version (as well as an other variants on the exact same theme/topic). Note to creator, please stop making alternate spelling versions, and please read WP:TITLE so that you can under stand how to name an article. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:41, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per various reasons previously expressed above. Hwy43 (talk) 04:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
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