Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of "Umalatova" awards


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. The discussion indicates that the topic might be notable, but would need better sourcing.  Sandstein  05:28, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

List of "Umalatova" awards

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There appears to be no article at ru for Умалатовой награды or even Умалатовa награды and a quick google search didn't find anything that looks particularly notable, although I accept my Russian isn't as good as it was 10 years ago. Looks NN. Spartaz Humbug! 10:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There is an article about the Партия мира и единства, but nothing about the tsatski (correct word order is награды Умалатовой). But I've found a news about prohibition of this business: http://lenta.ru/russia/2002/04/17/umalatova/, so Keep. Ignatus (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's clearly not enough for a stand alone article, so this should be deleted and the subject covered at an article about the party. Spartaz Humbug! 20:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, yes. But it also seems that these (among other recent doubtfully legal Russian private "orders") well-made ones are object of collectioning, can we have list of them for such reason? E.g. as bones of some minor unrecognized governments of Civil war time. Ignatus (talk) 10:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If there is adequate reliable sourcing yes, but this isn't sourced enough for that. Spartaz Humbug! 14:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * These awards are collectibles, there's no doubt about that. There are multiple threads on most phaleristics forums World wide dealing with them, on OMSA's and GMIC's web sites for example.  They were originally included in the article Awards_and_decorations_of_the_Soviet_Union and later removed, the concensus being they didn't belong there.  They remained on the article's talk page for quite a while, I created this list mostly in an effort to free the talk page.  The political party no longer exists but these medals are very very present on the market.  Personally, I have no objection to the article's deletion seeing these awards as fakes.  But they are misleading to the beginning collector, this list serves as a warning "CAVEAT EMPTOR".  For those not familiar with the term "Umalatova", it refers to Sazhi Umalatova, a Russian politician who pines for past Soviet glory. She was the chairwoman of the Party of Peace and Unity, they issued their own medals in the Soviet style until the practice was outlawed by the Russian government.  Like I said, I have no objection to a deletion, as long as the decision taken is an informed one.  Cheers. Fdutil (talk) 19:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 13:22, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep (but maybe move to "List of Umalatova awards" without the quotation marks). Entirely notable and verifiable subject.  Lots of stuff in Russian (Ms. Umalatova herself should have a page here, too; I'm a bit surprised that she doesn't already).  There were a few news stories just last month about veterans wearing Umalatova awards (particularly the Order of Stalin) to the latest Victory Day parade.  I will add refs.  Heather (talk) 12:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. There is a very long article at ru:Награды Постоянного Президиума Съезда народных депутатов СССР and if there is English-language coverage of these medals (as collectibles) I suggest the article is moved to whatever description is most common in those sources, perhaps without "List of ..."  Sussexonian (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
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