Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As to the userspace copy at User:OcelotCreeper/2001, I am deleting that per WP:G12 (copyright violation) because it lacks the attribution required by the Creative Commons license. A consensus to delete an article at AfD cannot be frustrated by one editor copying some of the content elsewhere.  Sandstein  20:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia
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This is a procedural listing, on which I am not (currently) taking a position. See Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 19 for context. This article was redirected for several years. A recent RfD failed to find consensus for deletion. My sense as a closer is that opposition to deletion was more on procedural grounds than substantial ones. One editor in that discussion was comfortable with the status quo, but most favored sending it here or deleting it outright. BDD (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. BDD (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. BDD (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Pinging RfD participants in the interests of thoroughness: User:OcelotCreeper, User:Shhhnotsoloud, User:Thryduulf, User:Dominicmgm, User:Compassionate727, User:Zxcvbnm, User:UppercutPawnch, User:Vaticidalprophet. Unless you see me vote below, I am not watching this page, so please ping me if needed. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment As the nominator for the RfD, if this is to be kept, it should be to look over the content to see what can be merged into 2001: A Space Odyssey (film), what can't, and what is already in there.

For example: "A four-year-old Vivian Kubrick, Stanley Kubrick's daughter, had an uncredited guest role as Floyd's daughter "squirt" to whom he speaks via videophone from Space Station 5" is mentioned in the cast section. Mentioning that he was communicating with her on the Space Station 5 is unnecessary, and anyone who notices this part of the cast list would put two-and-two together the she is related to Stanley Kubrick. In other words, nothing to add in, so delete.

"''There are five birthdays in the film (in chronological order): Humankind; Dr. Floyd's daughter; Astronaut Frank Poole; computer HAL's "operational" birthday (January 12, 1992); the Starchild is born" is completely WP:FANCRUFT. Maybe on the IMDB trivia page (it isn't so far), but definitely not on Wikipedia. Delete.

"The original scripted ending has the Star Child set off the orbiting nuclear devices seen (though not explained) in the "Blue Danube" sequence. Kubrick concluded this was too similar to the ending of Dr. Strangelove and so opted for the more ambiguous and optimistic ending scene. In his book The Making of Kubrick's 2001, Jerome Agel explained this, making note of the meaning of the intentional irony of the song sung at the ending of Dr. Strangelove: "We WON'T Meet Again"." is mostly mentioned. The Jerome Agel bit maybe. The Blue Danube part, while I haven't heard of, wouldn't be too surprising if it was true, given when the music starts playing in the credits.

Also, if this is to be done, sourcing has to be properly added. Ocelot Creeper ( ta lk ) 16:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete now that I copied the content onto here so I or anyone interested can overlook for material to possibly merge into 2001: A Space Odyssey (film). Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 17:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. This article can serve no purpose anymore...  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not IMDB. (Yes, I realise this article has history). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:SNOW. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I am expecting this to be deleted, but I think it's too soon to call WP:SNOW. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 17:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * And what speedy deletion criterion applies? Jclemens (talk) 00:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment if content is merged this page will need to be kept as a redirect (at some title) for attribution purposes. Thryduulf (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As far as I know "trivia" articles are no longer allowed on Wikipedia, as trivial content goes against WP:INDISCRIMINATE.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There are four paragraphs at WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Which do you think applies best? Hint: none of them do. Jclemens (talk) 00:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete: This is Wikipedia, not Cracked.&#32;- Sumanuil (talk) 21:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And what speedy deletion criterion applies? Jclemens (talk) 00:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2nd Comment After looking through everything in a userfied version, I've determined only 2 things that could possibly be in the article. Process of elimination included stuff already in the article, stuff is not mentioned in the main article, but in subarticles like Interpretations of 2001: A Space Odyssey or articles about the cast and crew, and stuff that is WP:FANCRUFT.
 * First was Ronnie Corbett being offered the role of one of the apes, only to turn it down. He confirmed this on The Graham Norton Show, so any source already in the article, or one that states this fact referencing the Graham Norton Show will do.
 * Second was that Sarah Cracknell was going to be the Star Child before a doll was used instead, but I can't find sources on Google that came out before the first AfD, except IMDB, but that doesn't require sourcing, so unless there's a commentary or book where this is mentioned, this might also be best not in the article. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 21:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge selectively to the film article all the sourced content that can be integrated into the article per WP:TRIVIA. I'd recommend comparing to the IMDB trivia page, to see if some of these items might have been copied to/from there; when in doubt, we should probably err on the side of not hosting possible copyright violations, and eliminate duplicates with IMDBs trivia list. The film was groundbreaking, and the fact that a lot of oddities have received coverage is not a reason to knee-jerk react against including things as encyclopedically as possible. That is, even though I "get" the desire to kill it with fire because it looks bad, I believe the correct response is far more nuanced. Jclemens (talk) 00:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think part of the problem is with the word "trivia" in the title. It seems to be used to mean "miscellany" rather than "trivial things". If something is trivial it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, and if it's not trivial then it is not trivia. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think there's truth to that, and this misapprehension underlies a number of the !votes above. Jclemens (talk) 23:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete trivia (by article title) RJFJR (talk) 02:44, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: Now that this has been copied and pasted to User:OcelotCreeper/2001, we cannot simply delete this page, as it provides history necessary for copyright attribution. Thus, if there is found to be a consensus to delete, this must actually be performed by moving this article to User:OcelotCreeper/2001 without leaving a redirect. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Interpretations of 2001: A Space Odyssey.  D r e a m Focus  23:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Dream Focus Why redirect there? Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 01:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like trivia to me. Someone searching for a list of 2001's trivia would want to go there. Or maybe go to the trivia at 2001: A Space Odyssey in popular culture.  Perhaps just link it to 2001: A Space Odyssey (disambiguation).   D r e a m Focus  03:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Complete WP:FANCRUFT. Ajf773 (talk) 02:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge selectively I very much agree with Jclemens. Or, as WP:TRIVIA says, "Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles" and so forth. Daranios (talk) 06:00, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.