Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 4DX motion-enhanced films


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  16:06, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

List of 4DX motion-enhanced films

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For the same reasons as the recently deleted List of D-Box films, i.e. WP:NOTCATALOG/WP:PROMO. 4DX is a similar system to D-Box. Barry Wom (talk) 08:43, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:NOTCATALOGUE and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. Ajf773 (talk) 21:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Also the quality of sourcing is questionable. There are many references to Twitter, which is a no no. Ajf773 (talk) 18:31, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the twitter-sourcing is fixed now. Sandrobost (talk) 18:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep There's a debate going on at the list of IMAX DMR films over the importance of that list, so this might not be the best comparison. Nevertheless, I think if any list has the right to exist between that one and this one, it's this one. Considering the fact that every movie gets a completely unique treatment of the format, 4DX seems like a more notable process to me than (70mm) DMR. Sandrobost (talk) 08:44, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The discussion regarding the List of IMAX DMR films is irrelevant here (although I suspect that list will end at AfD at some point too). See WP:WHATABOUTX. As mentioned, 4DX is a similar system to D-Box and a list of films released in the latter was recently deleted. If that one went, this one should too. And for the same reasons. Barry Wom (talk) 14:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 4DX is different from D-Box in many ways, so the fact that the D-Box list got deleted is not reason enough to delete this one too. Where D-Box is usually partially utilized in standard movie theaters (where most seats are normal/non-D-Box seats with a few D-Box seats), 4DX always has a single entire cinema devoted to 4DX, where all seats are "upgraded". D-Box seats also only move/vibrate, whereas 4DX has a large number of environmental effects like wind, rain, fog, lights, and scents. 4DX is also a much more popular technology than D-Box: D-Box is only deployed in 35 countries , while 4DX has theaters in 57 countries . This makes a list of 4DX films much more notable than a list of D-Box films. Also, as has been mentioned elsewhere on this page, the main reason for the deletion of the list of D-Box films was the poor condition that list was in, with much of it written like an advertisement. The list of 4DX films is already in much better condition, and if it is not deleted I'll clean it up even more. Sandrobost (talk) 11:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The 4DX process is not the same as D-BOX. First, 4DX requires CJ Group to code a separate file. With D-BOX, the studios usually attach the files onto the hard drives through deluxe. Meaning, 4DX is a separate delivery. Also, 4DX is a global format. 4DX films include many non-U.S. releases. The list also indicated whether a movie received a Premium Large Format treatment or not. And it can help people identify which movie was playing at a certain time in a 4DX auditorium. 4DX auditoriums are specially marked whereas D-BOX often are not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MidwoodMartin (talk • contribs) 19:43, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KCVelaga (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep 4DX is an overall environmental experience within a movie theatre that is internationally available. Attending a 4DX film generates a different experience than a regular cinema.  A list of such movies can help people identify when and if specific movies were ever historically released in this format, and in which countries.  Also, as the format develops, a history of which films were 4DX and how the technology changed would be of interest and use.  The comparison to the D-Box movie list is not relevant to me here, as the decision to keep or delete a list should be on the merits, usefulness and interest of the list in question itself not what happened elsewhere. Harris Seldon (talk) 09:46, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Additional: My later reading of the reasons for deleting the D-Box list of films was because the D-box list was seen as unsupported and promotional in nature, and not because of the technology. Therefore, just because 4DX is a similar technology, does not mean that this list should automatically be deleted. It should be reviewed on its own merits. Harris Seldon (talk) 10:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I have no particular opinion on keeping or deleting, but do suspect there's socking going on. See Sockpuppet investigations/MidwoodMartin.  -- RoySmith (talk) 01:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * SPI closed as not related, but there is a reddit thread that's pointing people here. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I added my comment to this page two days before 4DX was even mentioned in that reddit link. I was not pointed here from another site, I found this page myself. Sandrobost (talk) 13:38, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Same here. I wasn't even aware of the reddit discussion until it was mentioned today. So if it's pointing people here, it's not doing a very good job.  Either way, the discussion on this page is about whether to keep or delete this article, and the merit of the points raised by each person. Harris Seldon (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It's true that we're discussing the article. Still, I can't help noticing that your fourth edit after creating your account was to post WP:DRN.  That's a little-used process, and it's somewhat surprising that a brand new user would even be aware of it.  Let alone use it to discuss, in great detail, events which occurred weeks before their account was created.  But, whatever.  We're here to discuss the article.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Honestly... Let's stick to the point, shall we? WP:ATTP This is not the place to discuss nonsense like this. Sandrobost (talk) 16:01, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That reddit post was about the IMAX page's redesign, not the 4DX deletion page. And it wasn't even linking to that but simply discussing the changes made to it. MidwoodMartin (talk)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kirbanzo (talk) 20:31, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

I am not fully aware of the whole deletion process, but just wondering what else is required to make a decision about this article? This is the third time more comments have been requested, but nothing new has been said here for a couple weeks. The original request for deletion was because the technology was seen as being the same as d-box and the referencing/sourcing for this article was bad. Others have explained that the technology is actually different, and one editor has offered to clean up the referencing/sourcing. Without additional comments is the way forward to keep the page and just fix the sourcing? Harris Seldon (talk) 07:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * per WP:ATD, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Harris Seldon (talk) 11:31, 30 September 2018 (UTC)


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