Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 7.1 titles


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete Gnangarra 12:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

List of high-definition titles featuring 7.1 surround sound

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Indiscriminate collection of links. Wikipedia is not a buyer's guide. Corvus cornix talk  21:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Although there could be an arguement that this is a valid navigational list, i feel the title is unclear and the criteria too broad and indiscriminate to be an appropriate subject for a list. -- neon white talk 01:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please explain what you mean by the criteria being 'too broad and indiscriminate'. This list refers to Blu-ray and HD DVD releases featuring a 7.1 channel audio track. This is extremely specific criteria to which only a handful of titles conform and it represents a useful addendum to the Surround sound article section on 7.1 surround sound. I would recommend that editors read that article before commenting on deletion. Rishi (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  01:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

weak keep seems like a reasonable list. Needs to be renamed to something that is more descriptive. Hobit (talk) 01:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Delete article, create category &mdash; see below I could see this list being useful in building the web in a way that keeps context. (I'm at Surround sound, and I want to know which titles were produced in 7.1 in which eras and by which publishers.) I do feel the list should be moved to List of high-definition titles featuring 7.1 surround sound, or similar, though. ~ Wakanda's Black Panther! &spades; / &diams; 02:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete seems to just be a buyer's guide. This is the wrong site for this. JJL (talk) 03:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete buyers guide, and incredibly trivial information. Resolute 03:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Seems like a reasonable list. Each item is sourced by a secondary source (Be still my beating heart!) and the list does not seem to be in immediate danger of becoming indiscriminate.  I suspect that we may need to revisit this AfD when the list of 7.1 titles approaches the list of movies, but for now it seems kosher. Protonk (talk) 03:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Moved. Protonk (talk) 03:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of material. I could likewise create List of VHS Titles for the nostalgic. LonelyBeacon (talk) 03:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. While in the long run, we may change our minds, the list currently shows that these new formats are really not providing what they are really capable of. That makes this information encyclopedic.  Vegaswikian (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Once 7.1 becomes the standard this list will become obsolete. However, right now it's a smaller list that IS informative. In fact, I don't think anyone would be against having a technical information section for each individual title. there is usually a plot summary, cast, reception..... obviously technical specifications are relevant on wikipedia. This just brings a list of titles that fall under a certain criteria into one area. And to lonely beacon, I'm not arguing to have a list of hundreds of Blu-Rays listed here, just a few specific ones. And to all those who say that wikipedia isn't a buyers guide, why then do almost all movies have their critical reception listed? Double standard?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beezball (talk • contribs) 21:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - That's the problem, once notability is established, it is forever. We cannot decide "this article is of temporary importance", so today we think it is notable, and we can just delete it later.  If someone wanted to tag a film's page as being 7.1, OK .... if someone even wanted to invent a category and tag each such film, we can do away with categories later.  The problem is: once the article is declared "notable" it is here forever.  I think we can all agree that is not a good idea. LonelyBeacon (talk) 21:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A category would be a compromise that would avoid notability issues while keeping the article useful in navigation. (Shouldn't "7.1 surround sound" have its own article before a list of 7.1 titles is created, per WP:LISTS?) I believe I'll change my !vote to Delete article, create category.


 * Comment. you do have a point. However, if hollywood insists on keeping 5.1 the standard this wouild indeed stay notable. and with only two production houses using 7.1 after two years of availibility it's not un-reasonable to imagine 7.1 being skipped over.--Beezball (talk) 21:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * comment notability is forever, but I don't think notability is the important question here. The list is sourced and covers a notable topic.  The problem is whether or not the list is indiscriminate.  If it is, then we delete it per WP:NOT.  My argument is that it isn't now and isn't likely to be for a few years.  Maybe in 4-5 years the number of 7.1 titles will grow to approach the number of total titles sold (just imagine a 1998 wikipedia where we are debating a "list of DVD titles".  That debate then could be approachable but to not today).  A list may be manageable today and unmanageable 4 years from now. Protonk (talk) 06:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


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