Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ACF Units


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The result was   No consensus, default to keep. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  13:20, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

List of ACF Units

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY. List serves no useful purpose. ninety:one 22:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * also nominating WP:NOTDIRECTORY/WP:NOTLINK ninety:one 16:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. This list does not only serve no useful purpose, it is unmaintainable. Units of this kind come and go, but it is difficult to have reliable sources about that. Individual groups of any youth organisation should not appear in list articles or indeed in any article. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  00:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  11:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * MERGE -- SPECIFICALLY MOVE BACK TO Army Cadet Force -- the ACF is a large youth organisation in the UK, and this list was originally on the main article until recently moved. The list would have eventually moved to an article on Army Cadet organistations within the UK by region (see Scout Counties) Its purpose are -
 * 1) Highlight the fact that ACF units are in ALL major towns and cities within the UK. It has also been suggested that in the future, every UK City, town and village could have a section on what community activities are held in its boundaries. The links would help UK Cities, towns and Villages to see what links to them.
 * 2) Highlight the different unit allegiances within the Army Cadet Force, and from British Army regiments link back to the list of Detachments
 * 3) Looking at WP:NOTDIRECTORY there is nothing that says that implys that a List of ACF units is related to White or Yellow Pages. In time, history of the counties formation would be integrated into the article itself, with numbers and even famous former cadets.
 * 4) Finally, this article gives some cadets the ability to edit there first article. Its closely watched and guidance can be given. There are 40,000 young people in the ACF today, and this article may be one of the first ones they view. A list of ACF locations means they can edit which capbadge or where the Company HQ is Jez ☎ ✉ ✍ 16:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * KEEP The ATC list is easily maintainable, as the sqns are established by Royal Warrent and there is prehaps 1 change per year at most, official sqn lists do exist. This page is a useful for potential cadets to find their local sqn especially if all sqns provide links to their webpages. Many of the Sqns have rich historys as the organisation was established before WW2 and these can be shared. The ATC list was also split from the main page and provides a useful annex to that page. Many of the reasons given above are also true. (Quagers (talk) 16:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC))
 * Comment. First, Scout Counties does not include a list of Scout Groups and the general consensus in WikiProject Scouting is that such lists should not exist. There were articles on each Scout County that did contain such lists and maintaining them was a nightmare. The County articles have been merged to articles that cover Scouting in the 12 EU UK regions. There are no lists of Scout Groups. Since units are established by Royal Warrant it may well be easier to maintain this list than one on Scout Groups. However, expect young cadets to alter the name which they have misunderstood. Do units have web pages? If so, expect these to be added and clutter up the lists. The real point however is that potential cadets should find their nearest units through Google from an official list on the web, not from wikipedia. These lists are not encyclopedic. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  22:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: There exists an official ATC "squadron finder" on the web here and a semi-official directory of current ATC squadrons here, so I suppose the List of Air Training Corps squadrons article is of limited value. It is also in danger of becoming a linkfarm, unless the historical aspect is emphasized more. Letdorf (talk) 10:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC).
 * Delete per items 1, 2, 4, 6, and 7 of WP:LC. Stifle (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * delete. If the list was spun out from the main article, there is no need to move it back, as it will be in the history. If editors there want it, it is there choice. But it is not worthwhile as a standalone article.Yobmod (talk) 09:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - the Army Cadet Force has had a lot of work done since this list was created. I would suggest that a cut 'n' paste job is done to move it back. I firmly believe in time that this would standalone, but not as it is today. Jez ☎ ✉ ✍ 11:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


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