Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Albania international footballers born outside Albania


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The result was keep.  MBisanz  talk 13:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

List of Albania international footballers born outside Albania

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Please read WP:LISTN; I can't see any evidence that this topic meets the notability criteria required for a stand-alone list. I am aware that other similar lists exist, however, this doesn't mean that they are considered to be notable. A lot of Albanian footballers are born in modern-day Kosovo but, again, is this worthy of an article? Spiderone 17:49, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


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 * The specific issue of Kosovans playing for Albania is covered pretty extensively here and to a lesser extent here and gets a mention here and here. If there is a general objection to this type of list wouldn't it be better to start with England, Scotland or Wales where language problems won't get in the way of anglophone editors evaluating them? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is that this list doesn't exist to serve the issue of Kosovo-born players switching allegiances. This is just a list of players born outside Albania who happened to play for Albania with no real reason given as to why it is notable or useful. Spiderone  19:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true, but isn't the same also true about the articles about players for British countries that I linked? I just think that it's better to concentrate first on the topics where it easier for people like me who don't read Albanian to determine whether a general type of article should be included. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG, no evidence the topic is notable. GiantSnowman 21:48, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep' Per the IP user. It passes WP:LISTCRUFT and is quite a big topic in Albanian sport at the moment. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 19:49, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree. In fact, I think it fails on LISTCRUFT specifically on points #1, #2 and #7 Spiderone  19:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Undecided – Albanian participation in the 2016 EURO has created a national euphoria ammong Albanians since it was their first ever participation in a major continental tournament. It was easy to notice an increase of editing and creation of articles related to Albanian football. Exagerations, such as List of Albania national football team World Cup and European Championship squads (a list of one squad and with wording sugesting there will be more in future, thus contrary to WP:CRYSTAL) were found a little all over. However, the list of Albanian internationals born outside Albania is populated, and the issue itself has receved atention in Albanian media since the Albanian FA has made it a policy the issue of recruiting ethnic Albanians from all over the world to play for the national teams. This policy has been reflected in practice in man's senior national team which has had in recent years often more players in the starting 11 born outside Albania than Albanian-born ones. So the list, which includes the mention of birthplace and number of caps and goals for each player, could be expanded with sourced written content mentioning the policy of Albanian FA and the results it produced, an issue I think it was highly covered by Albanian media. FkpCascais (talk) 23:08, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  19:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't like this kind of over-detailed lists, but this one seems to be notable enough by usual WP standards.Thoughtmonkey (talk) 19:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thoughtmonkey and others. Topic is even more relevant than the UK-related lists. —Мандичка YO 😜 21:30, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course it is, but there isn't a chance that any such article about UK football would be seriously considered for deletion, as this one and List of Algerian international footballers born outside Algeria are being. It's pretty clear that when it comes to football different standards are applied here to the UK (and I speak as a Brit) than to the rest of the world. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per my various comments above. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


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