Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Algerian Ligue Professionnelle 1 hat-tricks


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The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 23:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

List of Algerian Ligue Professionnelle 1 hat-tricks
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This deletion listing includes all national professional football league hat trick lists that I could find. Note that it is a relisting after it was requested that articles were re-bundled from Articles for deletion/List of Japan national football team hat-tricks.

A hat-trick is a semi-common occurrence in football which while notable in the context of regular news reporting, is not an outstanding achievement in and of itself. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information - lists need to have some justification to their existence beyond the collection of statistics. Notable hat-tricks will be described in player, team or where relevant match articles. We already have season articles for most clubs and the leagues themselves. We also list top goalscorers, notable matches, finals etc. As such These lists simply repackage goals that are listed elsewhere on Wikipedia. It's important to note that, by and large, these lists do not exist outside of Wikipedia: they have been collated together from football results databases. This is evidence, I think, of the indiscriminate and unnecessary nature of these pages, which also makes them border on being original research. There are hundreds of professional football leagues - a list of hat-tricks in each of these is simply unnecessary. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:31, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:31, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Please also note the following related discussions:
 * Articles for deletion/List of FIFA Confederations Cup hat-tricks
 * Articles for deletion/List of Japan national football team hat-tricks (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/List of UEFA Champions League hat-tricks
 * Articles for deletion/List of Cristiano Ronaldo hat-tricks
 * Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep all. I think hat-tricks in a professional league is a notable subject. For example, The Scotsman newspaper noted that Steven Naismith's hat-trick for Everton last week was the first by a Scottish player in a Premier League match for 17 years. It then also lists all other hat-tricks by Scottish players since the PL was formed in 1992/93. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:19, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note, there is a discussion about this issue at WP:FOOTY. The nominating user has relisted all of these articles without first obtaining any consensus that these articles should be deleted. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I rather thought that establishing a consensus was the point of a deletion discussion.... --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 10:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep all - List of Premier League hat-tricks is a featured list. I simply cannot understand why a list identified as one of the best on WP is now suddenly not notable. All the other lists here are similarly from fully professional leagues, so see no reason why these are inherently less notable. I also think that this AfD should be closed (by an uninvolved admin as I closed the last mass nomination 24 hours ago) procedurally as the nominator was specifically asked to let a wider discussion here run its course to ascertain a wider consensus about the notabilityof hat tricks in football and there suitability as list subjects. Fenix down (talk) 09:28, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all - hat-tricks occur less than "semi-commonly" and can often be outstanding achievements, contrary to what the nominator suggests. If "these lists do not exist outside of Wikipedia" then that would be something to consider on a case-by-case basis, not by throwing the baby out with the bathwater and deleting everything at once, because I know for a fact that they often do exist. Hat-tricks are notable - there is a siginificance attached to that figure that cannot be said of 2, 4 or any other number of goals in media and statistics alike. These lists are therefore not indiscriminate, and, in my opinion, ought to be kept. Macosal (talk) 09:53, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep all stop this crusade, deal with things individually, try to establish some kind of sensible level here rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all, per all the above.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - there seems to be consensus here that lists of hat-tricks in fully-professional leagues are notable. GiantSnowman 16:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all Per all above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all This seems like a ridiculous nomination. Hat-tricks are usually notable events, especially in professional leagues. Often when one occurs, reference is made to previous records (i.e. last hat-trick by that player / team / against that opposition, etc.). That in itself suggests maintaining an article with the hat-trick records in a league has encyclopedic value. --   R45    talk! 15:55, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


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