Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of American Catholics


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. L Faraone  04:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

List of American Catholics

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 * Although I've tried to do some work on this I'm not sure this list should even exist. We have no other "by nation" list for Catholics. Why would the US be an exception?--T. Anthony (talk) 21:04, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete as unnecessary cross-categorization per WP:NOTDIR. Religion has nothing to do with most of the sub-categories listed so, for most of these groups of people, sorting them by religion is of no more relevance than sorting them by hair colour. Dricherby (talk) 22:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep: The original deletion criteria was invalid, per WP:OTHERSTUFF. Per WP:NOTDIR: "Cross-categories like these are not considered sufficient basis to create an article, unless the intersection of those categories is in some way a culturally significant phenomenon". Catholicism in America is culturally significant, so WP:NOTDIR does not apply. Hence, keep. Praemonitus (talk) 02:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Catholicism in baseball, catholicism in acting, and so on are not culturally significant. Dricherby (talk) 08:09, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Although I normally would sympathize with what you're saying I'm not sure this does anything the article wouldn't. Also List of Catholic bishops of the United States, Historical list of the Catholic bishops of the United States, List of American saints and beatified people, National Black Catholic Clergy Caucus, and Laetare Medal will be unaffected however this goes. Still I see we do have List of Australian Presbyterians so possibly religion/nation lists are done. (Although I see no American equivalent. No List of American Presbyterians or List of American Baptists or List of American Latter Day Saints.)--T. Anthony (talk) 08:55, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note also that the Catholic Church is the largest single Church in the US: the CIA World Factbook says 23.9% of Americans identify as Catholic. Are we going to add a quarter of the Americans who have wikipedia pages to this list? Dricherby (talk) 09:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Only if they have the notability to be added to the list and the RS to support the fact that they are Catholic. The list isn't huge and nowhere as big as List of American Jews which has already been subdivided because it is so large. Marauder40 (talk) 13:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm starting to have slightly mixed feelings. (I'm usually pro-lists) But I'm still not sure it's necessary so won't rescind the AfD.--T. Anthony (talk) 23:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. No one said that millions would be added to this list. In fact, unlike on some other such lists, all listed here are wiki-worthy, so the list is not out of control. This is also a sound start towards something like List of American Jews - or would you have this and its sub-lists removed too?Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 11:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. per reasons already given both here and in the previous AFD in 2010 that resulted in a keep. Nothing has changed since then.  Complaints about whether all denominations have a List like this don't really hold up.  All someone has to do is have the time, the notable people and the RS to create those lists.  As has already been said there are tons of "List of American ..." all over the place.Marauder40 (talk) 13:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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