Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of American football players who died during their career


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The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 02:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

List of American football players who died during their career

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This topic fails WP:GNG. It's WP:LISTCRUFT because "the list is a violation of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" and "the list is unencyclopaedic, i.e. it would not be expected to be included in an encyclopaedia." Tchaliburton (talk) 00:08, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk to me  00:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep Does not violate policies given. An AFD discussion was created for List of sports people who died during their career and from what I've seen (without looking at the discussion) the consensus was create an article for each sport and multiple articles have been created as a result.
 * Keep: There are many more articles of this nature worthy of deletion than this. There's easily enough references. StewdioMACK (talk) 06:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep List on a notable topic. Not sure how you'd describe it as being un-encyclopedic TBH.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have a real problem with how this list is defined, which effectively amounts to indiscriminate factoids. The majority of players listed as having "died during their career" actually died from causes completely unrelated to their career.  That's a bit like having a list of calico cats who died in Florida; one characteristic has nothing to do with the other.  Furthermore, a substantial number of the listed players are not notable.  If we're going to keep this list, the criteria for inclusion should be tightened.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment on comment This list isn't about the deaths being related to their sport. Rarely do athletes die directly from an injury suffered in a game. It's just a collection of players who were still active but met an untimely death. I will add a note addressing the issue to avoid confusion-- Rockchalk 717 06:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, RockChalk. Fair enough: then we should be discussing the multiple, independent, reliable sources that discuss football players who died during their career -- as a class, not as individuals -- to demonstrate the notability of this list's presently defined subject.  I don't think those sources exist that discuss such deaths as a class.  More athletes on this list died from car accidents than died from game-related injuries -- and, yes, that's just random, indiscriminate trivia -- no more notable than Hollywood actors, American politicians, or military personnel who died during their carers.  I would strongly support keeping a list of football-related deaths, but not a random list of football players who died in car accidents, from illegal drug use, and gun-related homicides.  It's clear from several "keep" comments above and below that some discussion participants believe that this is a list of football-related deaths, not what it actually is.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think this fits under WP:CSC #2, which does apply to dead people. Putting policy aside, the causes of death appear to have a lot to say about football players (perhaps related to concussions?). This list could actually be very useful to researchers. VMS Mosaic (talk) 04:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 19:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep contrary to the nom, I find this list to be very encyclopedic. Mellowed Fillmore (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep the assertion that the list is "indiscriminate" is incorrect. It is specifically discrimiate about football players who have died while active in their career.  See WP:DISCRIMINATE essay for more details.  As for the rest, I've often wondered about this myself.  There may be a call to limit the list to those who died during a game, or died to injuries sustained during a game, or only professional athlets in the NFL--but that is an editing issue for the list article (should X, Y, and Z be on this list, or just X?) and not a deletion of the entire article issue.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. As stated by others, this list isn't indiscriminate. The deaths of still-active professional athletes receive particular attention, see for example "Adams 11th active NFL player to die since 2000", (Yahoo! Sports, Dec. 17, 2009).  --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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