Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of American people convicted of drug offenses


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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 01:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

List of American people convicted of drug offenses

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Does not appear to meet WP:LISTN - i.e. while “people who are convicted of drug offences” in the abstract is widely covered in sources, there does not appear to be any coverage relating to this list specifically as a set of people. Furthermore, this list is extremely problematic from a BLP standpoint in its present form given that it is largely unsourced. firefly ( t · c ) 20:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Speedy delete: This list violates our policies regarding attack pages. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 21:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Speedy delete, I believe there are typically over a million drug offense arrests per year in the US, many of which will lead to a conviction, so this list will be either the size of the telephone directory of a decent-sized country, or it will be a selective list including only the names of those who some WP editor has decided to 'Name and shame'. It is of no encyclopaedic value, and unless its accuracy is incredibly carefully scrutinised, it will malign the innocent (especially those with common names). It goes against the spirit of WP and is an extremely ill-advised list. Elemimele (talk) 21:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per NLIST. More restricted lists are probably okay, e.g. celebrities, athletes, but not the whole kit and kaboodle. Doesn't qualify for G10 speedy deletion IMO. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Grotesquely inappropriate and unwise. Gildir (talk) 22:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep and definitely don't Speedy Delete per Clarityfiend's rationale; however, at the same time, rename to List of notable Americans convicted of drug offenses, and do significant clean-up so that most of the page is cited with reliable sources. The topic of notable people getting convicted for drugs is the main topic of sources from Complex mag, Business Insider, Cine-tale, and NealDavisLaw, which meets LISTN for this reason: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Additionally, stating that the article was meant as an "attack page" not only is not in the spirit of WP:AGF, but is also unlikely given that it was created by a user who created this article in January 2021 and is very experienced, having made several contributions to this website since 2014 (User:Prisencolin), plus the fact that in the article's first state it at least had properly-formatted cites, if not for every person claimed to be convicted of drugs. Also, to address Elemimele's concern of potentially having to list a million offenders, most of them wouldn't have to be listed if we made a criteria (as we do other list articles) determining which person is notable enough to be listed. 👨x🐱 (talk) 22:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. All four of your lists are of celebrities. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Um.... yeah, celebrities are notable individuals. 👨x🐱 (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But not all (or even most) notable people are celebrities. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: It seems this slipped through NPP since the tagging script automatically reviews an article unless you untick a tiny little box. This article is such a WP:BLP violation. Curbon7 (talk) 23:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete An article ripe with BLP violations, I'm amazed it has lasted this long. JayJayWhat did I do? 01:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NLIST, WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:BLP. An unwieldy topic. Ajf773 (talk) 09:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: One of an endless number of indiscriminate lists and articles that seem to have been created to boost edit counts. This is an easy open-and-close case.  BOTTO ( T • C ) 17:20, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as of today not very useful.BabbaQ (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete as per nomination, and the fact this violates Wikipedia's policy about attack pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TH1980 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think it matters very much if this was meant as an WP:Attack page or not—it's still inevitably going to come across as an attempt to name and shame to anyone visiting the page, which is a terrible look for Wikipedia. I take rather a strict view of WP:BLP when it comes to crime—we must of course abide by WP:BLPCRIME with regards to waiting for convictions, but we must also make sure that we only mention that living people have been convicted of crimes when it is actually relevant and to do so in WP:PROPORTION to that relevance. A list consisting entirely of drug convictions is rather dubious from that perspective and WP:DELREASON (Articles that breach Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons) may apply even if WP:G10 doesn't. At any rate, WP:DELREASON (Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia) applies since this list is WP:INDISCRIMINATE; it might be possible to create lists with more restricted scopes as suggested by, but those would of course be different lists altogether rather than different versions of this one. And since the WP:BLP concerns are so strong, I think that before any such lists are created it should be demonstrated that WP:LISTCRITERIA can be outlined such that the lists meet WP:LISTN and serve a valid WP:LISTPURPOSE while being compliant with WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. TompaDompa (talk) 02:15, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I'd expect this list to be hopelessly broad, even if properly sourced and restricted to notable individuals. The corresponding Category:American people convicted of drug offenses and its subcategories jointly contain 350 articles, not including this list. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 10:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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