Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of American television programs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

List of American television programs

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List of loosely associated topics(WP:NOTDIR). Contains an enormous amount of loosely associated articles crammed together in one list and it shows it. Description fields are empty. Most network fields are empty. Many of the categories field descriptions are simple WP:OR picked by the person including them. Lurking shadow (talk) 21:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Lurking shadow (talk) 21:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists and United States of America. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 21:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete List is far too long and broad, even if only notable programs are included. Some individual channels have hundreds of original programs, not all of which are notable. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 21:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Why do we have this?! Should've been nuked the moment the category system was invented, and many of the WLH's are just for other country lists that should go themselves; this isn't used in general by WP:TV at all.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 22:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, has become far too unmanageable and indiscriminate. WP:TNT may be invoked here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete – such a list would only be worthwhile if it was sortable, but the way this list is designed, it is not actually properly sortable, and it has become unmanageable... However, it is possible that the content here could be salvaged if it was reorganized into separate lists organized by decade. But I am guessing nobody wants to tackle a project on this scale. Anyway, the current list very likely violates WP:NOTDIRECTORY, so deletion is a valid course of action. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep All of the articles at Category:Lists_of_television_series_by_country_of_production are fine. Valid navigational list and information list.  Lists are far more useful than categories since they can show more information.  Some are listing problems which can easily be fixed. AFD is not cleanup. You can take the categories section and have a bot read what type of program the infobox in the main article says it is, and put that information there.  The only shows that will be listed have their own articles.   D r e a m Focus  06:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are relevant because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic."
 * This is the check you have to make if it is a list of loosely associated topics.
 * These television programs are relevant because they are associated with television in America? No. Does being made in America make them relevant per se? No. Do these entries significantly contribute to the list topic? No. There are thousands of potential entries.
 * Then there's WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Almost none of the entries are sourced.
 * Then we have WP:NLIST, actually. Can you show me a single independent source that says that this list topic is notable? Lurking shadow (talk) 08:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A list of all television shows would be notable but too long. Dividing it by country of production is a logical way to split the list up.   D r e a m Focus  12:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep (with changes) The medium of "TV" has changed a lot over time. In 2022, TV land is vast due to streaming, I'm not sure it makes sense to list them all. However prior to a certain year, the number of shows is not so large or indiscriminate. Thus a list up to a certain year is very doable and useful. What the year is TBD, but 1980 for example, with the debut of CNN and MTV marking the wide adoption of cable. Any show that had a start 1979 or earlier could be included. The advantage of a list over Categories is additional information, sorting, viewing. List of American television programs to 1980. --  Green  C  19:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Due to the current state of the article I'd prefer WP:TNT, then your approach. Lurking shadow (talk) 20:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You nominated the article topic for total deletion ie. there should be no article on Wikipedia under this topic heading regardless of content. That's the purpose of AfD. What do you actually want? -- Green  C  21:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * What I want has changed due to your arguments. However, I still want this page to be deleted due to WP:TNT and because this means I want List of American television programs to 1980 but NOT List of American television programs.Lurking shadow (talk) 10:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That essay is just ridiculous. Here is a counter essay explaining why TNTTNT.  Why would someone delete an article then recreate the same article?  Just remove what you don't want.  Could make various articles for different time periods, and use this to link to them.   D r e a m Focus  16:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * TNT should be for situations where there is no consensus on fixing but there is consensus that the article is awful. Or when the other outcome would be merge. We could blank the article. But we don't actually want the exact topic here, so deleting it is a measure to prevent re-creation. And merging the list, which would be the normal outcome, would merge the problems. Please no.Lurking shadow (talk) 20:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration.  D r e a m Focus  19:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, It is not known what the use of this unsorted material is. Alex-h (talk) 16:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this list as indiscriminately large, per WP:IINFO/WP:NOT. A more discriminate topic is List of programs broadcast by CBS, which is a verifiable and well-documented way to organize this topic. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - List is indiscriminate Such-change47 (talk) 06:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Too broad. Orientls (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


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