Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Amitabh Bachchan's awards, honours and recognitions


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep, unfortunately 02:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC) -- Y not? 19:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Amitabh Bachchan's awards, honours and recognitions
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Minutiae, much too detailed information unsuitable for an encyclopedic entry, listcruft which borders on fancruft Chris 19:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because they are also listcruft not found in encyclopedic articles for any other country:


 * Merge all into respective main articles and trim down to feature only the most notable awards, then delete as listcruft. Tx17777 20:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Relist - Amitab Bachan winning those awards are really significant, just as winning at the Oscars would be, but most of the other ones can be merged back into the main article, but I think it is really better to relist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corpx (talk • contribs)


 * Keep I really would like to know why the nominator did not include or even mention the existence of List of Johnny Depp's awards and nominations, Laurence Olivier list of awards & nominations and Meryl Streep list of awards & nominations (see Category:Lists of awards by actor). I would like to remind the nominator that this is English Wikipedia, not UK or USA Wikipedia. In order words, the language is English, not the topics. These actors appear to be famous Bollywood actors. Most of them have a decent, referenced, article written on them, their names give Google hits in the millions and they all have played in numerous movies. I see no objection from having lists like this seperate from the main actors' articles. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 06:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * reply-if you're accusing me of systemic bias, that is bad faith and you should stuff it. No other country has boilerplate lists for their film industry. I'd be happy to include the ones you mentioned and any other-those didn't jump out as there isn't a concerted effort to push that particular listcruft. Chris 06:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not accusing you of anything, I just noted that you left out the only three non-bollywood articles, for reasons I did not (and still do not) understand. But do I interpret you correctly now that you are saying that lists like this are only bad if there is a "concerted effort" to generate them? Whether or not they are listcruft is actually the topic of this AfD I assume. And shouldn't we judge articles based on their content instead of who makes them? --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 06:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep and possibly merge the smaller ones into the biographies. The big ones will clutter the main articles. Award lists should be comprehensive, especially is the award itself has an article. It would be a serious omission to not have a comprehensive list of awards that have articles. The lists are well sourced, and their omission would show cultural bias for Wikipedia. The articles are also much better formatted and referenced than their American actor counterparts. See the examples above. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 07:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep He doesn't accuse you of systemic bias, but I do! How dare you nominating articles for deletion? Just because you don't know these actors and you don't care for this, you're removing it. I have mostly worked on these pages, and I don't really understand why List of Johnny Depp's awards and nominations, Laurence Olivier list of awards & nominations and Meryl Streep list of awards & nominations are not nominated for deletion by you. Why? That's what I consider as bias! If you see, there are too much awards and nominations and too much award ceremonies, and it's too much for the actors' pages, as they load the whole article. -- Shahid •  Talk 2 me  13:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment, I just noted none of the additional articles included in this AfD have been tagged with the proper AfD tag. As (looking at the votes until now), these articles will probably not be deleted, I am not sure someone even need to add them. Just to let you know. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 14:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I think all of them should be deleted, including the three others mentioned. None of these are too long to go within articles. I suppose though to be fair we will have to go about it slowly. Personally I would suggest starting with Oliver and going from there. The significance of the artist has nothing to do with it--this is fragmentary content. Even for Amitabh Bachchan, the list is a small portion of the article. DGG' (talk) 05:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A merge would be fine with me, but merging articles does not involve deleting any of the parent articles, as the author history has to be preserved to fulfill the GFDL. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 06:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think some of the articles are well sourced and since Bollywood tends to have many award ceremonies, it would make sense to create a seperate page for them, instead of putting them on the actors pages. -- Pa7 17:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - No delete and no merge. There is nothing to merge here. The award articles of Bollywood actors are too long and it's a non-sense to return it back to the article and load it. They load more than half the page. So that's all. They should be left as they always were, before you're unnecessary intervention (BTW, I still remember that you didn't put for deletion the Hollywood pages and it will play only against you if necessary). -- Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  12:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - Bollywood has come a long way from where it used to be: It has become international now!! Nowadays, not just Indians, but many people watch Indian movies. Many actors are being approached for Hollywood projects. If there is so much attention on Hollywood pages then why can't we do the same for Bollywood too. Hollywood awards are given so much importance then why can't we do the same for Bollywood awards too?? Why aren't the Hollywood award pages nominated for deletion?? Many of the award pages are too long, thus having a separate page for the awards will help show most of the awards, the actor/actress has won. -- Bolly wood Dreamz  Talk  19:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge all with main articles. - Dean Wormer 04:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep ALL: Looking through the pages, I find it amusing that almost all the articles nominated here are better sourced and referenced than the pages of the Western stars (most of which have ZERO refs and yet are not nominated for deletion or mergers). Merging these pages back to the original articles would be impractical as the merged articles would then face article size issues. The Wikipedia is not paper and these articles have a place in it. They are researched and documented, not 'cruft' (as the nomination crassly dismisses them), "I don't like it" cannot stand as a reason for deletion. --Eqdoktor 07:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Not to make a disruptive point, but I believe any attempts to delete or merge the articles of Western stars would likely be shouted down under the Snowball clause.--Eqdoktor 07:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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