Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ancient Jedi

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:03, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of Ancient Jedi
Reason why the page should be deleted: This entry is too big and is a waste of Wiki space. If this is not a waste of Wiki space i do not know what is. --Granted 18:02, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikiepedia is not paper! :) --maru 19:37, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am sure George Lucas didnt have this in mind when he started it all off! He did it to have some fun and make some money. This is going to far! Who on earth cares?! A bunch of made up ugly as hell characters, that have no meaning to life, as we know it. I am sure everyone that has contributed to the probably saddest thing I have ever witnessed in my life, could do something more productive then this! Go do something with your life, ANYTHING! But is this really your donation to society? No wonder all is screwed up in Virginia! And if you believe in a creator, do you honestly think this is what he had in mind when he gave you life? And if you dont believe in a creator, do you think your parents thought of this when they gave you life? You might die any day, so dont waste your life. 18:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) Scipio Aemilianus
 * I am sure Kross didnt have this in mind when he started it all off! He did it to have some fun. This is going to far! Who on earth cares?! A bunch of made up allegations and bogus VfDs, that have no meaning to life, as we know it. I am sure everyone that has contributed to the probably lamest revenge I have ever witnessed in my life, could do something more productive then this! Go do something with your life, ANYTHING! But is petty revenge on Wikipedia really your donation to society? No wonder all is screwed up with you! And if you believe in a creator, do you honestly think this is what he had in mind when he gave you life? And if you dont believe in a creator, do you think your parents thought of this when they gave you life? You might die any day, so dont waste your life. Make some actual contributions. --maru 19:37, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep it It is Star Wars Histroy collected though books and games. It should be here so Star Wars Fans can look up info if they need to. Also EU authors could use this when writing Star Wars books, it is very useful information for a Star Wars Fan.
 * Keep and Comment. Grant disliked the fact that I voted to delete an article he created and in a really halfass attempt to spite me, VFD'd this article.  He messed up though and didn't follow the deletion process, so I removed the notice (after considering who he was and why he did it), but I've deleted for kicks and so he can't claim I removed the notice without cause, I decided to complete the steps he didn't.  Anyways, most of the entries on the list had their own pages, but I felt they should be condensed into a list (some of the entries range from 1-2 sentences to barely a paragraph). --Kross 18:54, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. My own opinion is that the various SW lists need to be rationalized (does it really make sense to have separate lists for ancient, and minor, Jedis? and etc.), but simply deleting them is emphatically not the way to go. This whole VfD seems pretty lame- see also the VfD for the Wookies. The fact that the starter, and only other hostile user, are claimed to be the same person casts considerable doubt on the validity of this deletion request. --maru 19:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep; I haven't looked into it thoroughly, but this VfD nom shows every indication of being a revenge nomination. The list is encyclopaedic, looks clean and well-formatted, and - though Mr. Fletcher may not think so - is within the Star Wars canon. jglc | t | c 19:22, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * To all of the SW fans I am sorry i offended you by calling this list of ancient jedi a waste of space. Though I still belive this file to be too big (and what is up with the "It should be here so Star Wars Fans can look up info if they need to", need it?). And I would like it if people stop calling me spitefull just because I VDF'ed an entry by a person who VDF'ed an entry of mine, it is not spite I just check his user profile thingy and saw that his two articles seem to be a bit less usefull than, lets say, a certain genetic Wuz article that I entered. Oh yeah, sorry if the VDF was a bit incompleete (thanks for correcting it) this is my first.--Granted 19:34, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Check List of minor Star Wars Jedi characters. Its 45kb.  It used to be over 54kb in size.  This list is far from oversized.--Kross 19:47, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's "VfD," not "VDF".  Secondly, Wikipedia Is Not Paper.  Thirdly, "spiteful" is spelled like that.  Fourthly, "incomplete" is spelled like that.  jglc | t | c 20:02, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Listen up mate, you obviously knew what i meant so why did you have to try and use my spelling against me. Hvis du vil have at jeg skal skrive dansk så kan jeg også bare gøre det ikke også. I don't see what anyone acheives by pointing out spelling mistakes to anyone (let alone someone who doesn't have english as there first language). and by the way; no one said wiki was paper boys. And thank you for pointing out that the SW universe inside of Wiki is shrinking. I can still not see how this SW entry can be usefull but if you guys use it alot then so be it let it stay. (Sorry, I was trying to clean up the trash). --Granted 20:50, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * keep this please Yuckfoo 20:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why Yuckfoo? Do you use this Article often? --Granted 20:59, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * And what if he does? --FCYTravis 21:05, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - based on the fact that nomination appears to be revenge-motivated. --FCYTravis 21:05, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete Look dudes you have got to stop coming back to this revenge thing. I have already dismissed it. plus the "And what if he does?" comment seemed to be a bit on the spite side. re-lax man i am just trying to figure out if anyone even uses this article and so far I have not heard of one person who has found use for it. --Granted 21:08, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC) (vote struck through, duplicate)
 * Every one of this user's edits is to one of the two articles in question or their respective VfD nominations. User admits he searched User:Kross's contribs page. "Dismissed" or not, looks like revenge to me. --FCYTravis 21:18, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep This is a heck of a lot better than having separate articles. Besides, it's a bad faith VfD nomination. --Xcali 21:14, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete I can see how it is better than seperate articles but would you need the seperate articles? ever!? the question still stands. --Granted 21:33, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * (One vote per user. Feel free to add comments. --FCYTravis 21:39, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC))


 * Keep, valid information, as crufty as it is, and the nomination was made in bad faith. --RickK 22:02, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I'd just like to state that I hold no anger or anything towards Grant. This was amusing.--Kross 22:08, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep bad faith nomination. --Etacar11 22:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it. This is a bad faith nomination and clearly not a waste of space. Gateman1997 09:20, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment Kross i have gotta say you have a wierd idea of fun. Anyway if this List of Ancient Jedi is usefull. For anyone. at all. ever. then sure we should keep it that is what Wiki is for. But if it is a useless (as I assume it is) then chuck it. --Granted 13:09, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I did use wikipedia to learn about the Expanded Universe.--Poli 13:53, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a viable fictional universe entry. --GaidinBDJ 19:31, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

I dont know if it was necessary to seperate Jedi and Ancient Jedi. (this is not a vote)


 * It's not a bad idea- it is a natural categorization, since just about every known Jedi either originates from the movies and subsequent novels; or from the Dark Horse comic books; those two time periods are narrowly circumscribed with minimal overlap (yes, there are odd-balls like Ood B'Nar, but still...) --maru 22:30, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 23:47, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Why not?  I can well imagine people finding this information  of interest. --democracys 00:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that out of this users seven 7 total edits, only one was non-VfD. --maru 01:28, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The original reasons stated for deletion result only from the complaining user's bias against Star Wars. Absolutely no claims of any validity are made to support deletion. Frankly, the deletion attempt is so wafer-thin that I wonder why it is even being seriously considered. --Pathogen 16:13, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * A good point. It seems the overwhelming consensus is a simply keep, so why don't we close this VfD? It is unlikely that 15 or 20 users will come along and vote Delete, no? --maru 16:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Note: I dropped Granted a friendly note on his User Talk Page. Let's hope that he learns something from this (and Genetic Wuz). If not, I will report him to administration. jglc | t | c 16:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep but give '''All of the KOTOR I and II characters their own articles.
 * Keep The information was of interest and value. Your lack of interest doesn't affect another person's need.  If you don't care to know about blue-crowned pelicans, don't look them up, but don't ask the encyclopedia to remove the entry for your sake.


 * Keep I found it useful information.


 * I'm kind of having mixed feelings about this article, as IMO much of the information here are nothing more than just minor Jedi characters. IMO Wikipedia only needs to keep the major Jedi and Sith characters.  So unless there are actually some Jedi Characters worth mentioning, I would say delete judging that almost all of the Jedi listed on this article are just minor Jedi characters. -- Vesther 19 June 2005, 0:57 Hours CDT
 * Keep There are a few jedi in here that are just under the bar for having their own articles. Nomi Sunrider, for example, had her own long entry in the Essential Guide to Characters. The KotOR characters are likewise important.-LtNOWIS 00:10, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep I'd like a reference if I want to find out more about the characters, in games, movies and the like! Nothing wrong with it! Anyway, is it using up your server space?


 * Keep While just movies, the Star Wars films are part of popular culture. --phogan June 21st


 * Keep Too much information to purge.


 * Keep Ive been using this to study starwars heavily I also use it as a reference for my starwars power metal bands lyrics


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