Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Arcana Heart characters (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Arcana Heart. Not strictly the consensus, but the redirect has some support, and WP:ATD, and the previous history of being a redirect all argue for that. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:28, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

List of Arcana Heart characters
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Unsourced, trivial gameguide-like material. No word on creation, development or reception of the characters. No stand-alone notability. Was a redirect before, AfD for precedence. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 21:47, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:03, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the series' main article. Since many editors seem to contest the deletion or redirection of this list, and considering how small it is and how small the main article for the series is, I thought it best just to tack it on to the main article. The characters had voice actors so that could be reasonably sourced. The "Arcana" characters seemingly had no voice actors so I simply cut them out. Mr. Magoo (talk) 04:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. As of the time of nomination, all the points raised were valid but I've been meaning to improve on it by moving most of the character info from the Arcana Heart 3 article into it and then source it. The character info in the Arcana Heart 3 article included bios for all characters in the series, which is not entirely related to the article since AH3 only introduced 4 new characters. My goal would be to make this article similar to List of Guilty Gear characters or List of Mortal Kombat characters. That way, once the next update is released, I can include more gameplay info on the main AH3 article and leave the character info in it's own article. Would this compromise be ok? Jotamide (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete There is a place for stuff like this and it's called Wikia. It should be put in Draft space until it's actually sourced, if someone is working on it.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:25, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I spent an hour this morning sourcing a lot of stuff. Lemme know if it looks more acceptable now. Jotamide (talk) 01:23, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * 26 links to "Behind The Voice Actors" to source the voice actors but no sources for the text under the characters? There is one link to the Kickstarter for the new addition, but that isn't exactly coverage of the characters. Mr. Magoo (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It still doesn't have the several reliable sources necessary for notability. A Kickstarter page isn't a reliable source, and Behind the Voice Actors isn't a "significant mention" as the inclusion criteria require. It will need several reliable sources discussing the characters in depth enough to merit a page on them, which is kind of doubtful, so it shouldn't be its own page. See also WP:FAN. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I cannot devote more time to meet the unreasonable standards of some editors. If that's the case I guess I'm fine with a redirect to the series article where this info is included. Jotamide (talk) 23:24, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you would consider those standards "unreasonable", as they're based upon the community of WP:VG; it is not unreasonable to ask for multiple reliable, independent third-party sources. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Because one of my sources is the official English website for the game but due to the way the website is coded, I can't link to each character's bio and I'm stuck making references to the generic "character" website multiple times. But no worries, cherrypicking that my sources are only from the character bios to get this article deleted will satisfy the egos of users who have never even edited an article from this game series. Jotamide (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you need to read again the official policies of Wikipedia. Instead of blaming Wiki editors you should probably read about primary and secondary sources. The important part is that articles need mentions in secondary sources (news articles or books) to be notable. Wikipedia is not just a directory of trivia-like content from any game developer who decides to make it. I have edited many similar articles but no familiarity is needed with a game to apply the rules.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * , I do not care for your uncivil tone. First you're calling Wikipedia's standards unreasonable, now you're suggesting that we're nominating to delete or voting delete to "satisfy our egos". That is not okay. For a second time, I have to remind you to assume good faith. A tone like that doesn't help your cause at all. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:26, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. Not "ego", but lack of third party sources covering the characters in a significant manner. Any sources found in cleanup efforts can still be used in the respective game(s) articles. Sergecross73   msg me  18:59, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete crufty, per .   Dr Strauss   talk   08:05, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.