Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Argentine football announcers


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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

List of Argentine football announcers

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I can't see a list like this belonging in an encyclopaedia. The only way of properly sourcing this and keeping it up to date will be to reference it to primary sources; there are no secondary sources covering this topic. Almost all of the people in this list are not notable.


 * As per WP:LISTN - One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources - I see no evidence of that for this topic.
 * WP:LISTPURP - this list is not informative, it does not aid in navigation nor is it useful for development purposes.
 * WP:ATD - there is no obvious merge or redirect target. I'm also strongly against merging anything that's basically WP:OR.
 * WP:RS - the sources used do not look reliable and I'm not convinced that any RS exist for this topic.
 * WP:OR - this is currently original research Spiderone  09:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  09:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - per nom, no evidence of notability, LISTCRUFT. GiantSnowman 09:36, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep We have a List of British football commentators and similar lists for other nations. To single out the Argentine list for deletion on the occasion of the death of Diego Maradona would be in poor taste.  Announcers such as Roberto Perfumo and Víctor Hugo Morales are quite famous in this field.  Latin announcers have an extravagant style which is the subject of academic study.  See here and there, for examples. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually the British one is the only other list as the rest are categories so will have different criteria. It could also be argued that both of these lists are a violation of WP:NOTDIR (Wikipedia is not a TV Guide) Spiderone  11:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, Andrew, your response does not address the important issue of sourcing. Is there even one reliable, secondary source that lists the notable current Argentine football announcers? Spiderone  11:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I provided two sources while the nominator does not seem to have provided any evidence in support of their proposal. Looking further at the current content, I see that it doesn't contain either of the famous announcers that I listed.  I do notice the amusing name of Diego Fucks and find that they have an article in the Spanish Wikipedia.  The topic is likely to be covered best in that language but, as I'm neither fluent in Spanish nor a football fan, I'm not the best person to follow up these leads. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not questioning the notability of Roberto Perfumo and Víctor Hugo Morales as your source clearly proves that the former is notable. My issue is that this list does not meet our inclusion criteria. As I explain above, this does not meet LISTN and does not have any valid purpose under LISTPURP. At best, we could make some of these links link to the Spanish Wikipedia versions of the individual but I'm not sure if that's generally the done thing. In addition, there are serious WP:V issues in that there is no accurate listing of Argentine commentators across the networks so the only possible way to source this article will be direct from primary sources if even that. This is original research and there is no valid source covering this as a group. Individual Argentine commentators may well be notable and they may well gain interest but I don't see how this list benefits our encyclopaedia and, since the only other similar list is the British one, I don't think that the 'other lists exist' is a particularly effective argument here. Spiderone  12:10, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. Own GOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 19:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Question - does anyone have any reliable sources that discuss in depth and/or list Argentine football announcers? Spiderone  16:56, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: nom summed this up very well, there are not sources showing this is discussed as a group, fails GNG LISTN LISTPURP.  // Timothy ::  talk  11:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - does not meet WP:LISTN. And bravo to - brilliant.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


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