Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Aristotle University of Thessaloniki faculties, departments and laboratories


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Consensus is that this list is irredeemably unencyclopedic — in particular, a violation of WP:NOT. — TKD::Talk 05:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Aristotle University of Thessaloniki faculties, departments and laboratories

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Not suitable topic for an encyclopedia. If people want to see a list of 'faculties, departments and laboratories' at a university, they should go to the universities webpages. Anarchia 04:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is suitable info for a homepage.K14 04:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to University of Thessaloniki. Most are external links. Wikipedia is not a directory: WP:NOT. --  GarbageCollection   - !Collect 05:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP is not a directory of this kind of information Corpx 06:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Before creating this article, I asked other experienced members of wikipedia (from WikiProject Universities) and they gave me some tips on how to improve the article about Aristotle University of Thessaloniki. One of those was to eliminate all lists found inside the article (eg the list about the faculties and departments) and create a new article about them. This is what I did and now my article is nominated for deletion.
 * Furthermore, I would like to add that it is very common for university articles to provide lists of faculties, departments, laboratories, people, members, presidents and so on as seperate articles. For exaple see the following pages:
 * List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology departments and laboratories, List of Dublin City University faculties, schools, research centres and laboratories, List of University of Cambridge members, List of Imperial College London people, List of Towson University presidents, List of University of Southern California people, List of University of Washington student organizations, and many more!! Are you willing to delete these articles as well?
 * I personally think that all these articles, including the one we are talking about, are suitable material for an encyclopedia. Yesterday I spent 5 hours gathering all the information found in the nominated article and now I feel deeply disappointed. Maybe I shouldn't have listened to the experienced members' advice... -Chggr 06:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I do understand your feelings of frustration, especially given the time you have put into this and the fact that you were following experienced advice. Sometimes people establish patterns of behaviour and it takes a while to realise that they are not appropriate. I think that this is what is happening here. As I wrote briefly above, lists like this one do not contain information that is suitable for an encyclopedia. When editing wikipedia, we are recommended to consider "When you wonder what should or should not be in an article, ask yourself what a reader would expect to find under the same heading in an encyclopedia." I do not understand why anyone would come to Wikipedia looking for information such as this rather than looking at the universities webpages. It violates WP:NOT as it consists mainly of links. It violates WP:NOTE as there is no claim to any degree of notability. The fact that there are other pages the same as yours does nothing to alter these facts. And, yes, if consensus is that this article should be deleted, I will nominate some of them for deletion. Anarchia 08:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I think that a complete article about a university should contain a list of its faculties, its departments and its laboratories. Otherwise it wouldn't be complete. It is essential for the reader of an article about a university to know which faculties, departments and laboratories this university has. I think that a complete list of all this information cannot be integrated into the university's article because it would make it boring and messy. Thus for this purpose the creation of a new page is necessary and that's what I did. Any user who doesn't want to view all this information will simply not follow the link. On the other hand, if the user wants to see if the university has a certain laboratory (eg. phonetics lab), then this page is very important to him and would save him from a lot of searching. You said "I do not understand why anyone would come to Wikipedia looking for information such as this rather than looking at the universities webpages". It's a fact that most information in any of wikipedia's articles can be found if one searches the internet. This of course doesn't mean that we should close down wikipedia!!! Returning back to the subject of interest, the fact that each faculty, department and laboratory name is an external link to its official page, makes the page even more useful to someone who wants to retrieve more information about it. But if you want, I can remove all those links so that that WP:NOT is not violated. But according to my opinion, such an action will make the page less useful. Moreover, the WP:NOTE violation you pointed out is pretty subjective. I think that the article is notable, otherwise I wouldn't have created it in the first place. And I was prepared to add more information to the article, more sources, etc, but within 14 hours from its creation, you nominated it for deletion. I think you should have waited to see what comes out of it and then nominate it. Finally, the article List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology departments and laboratories, which is pretty much the same case, has been there from 22 November 2006 and nobody has nominated it for deletition or had any objections to it. Personally I think that both articles should stay. I would like to point out that it is common practice to remove all listings from university articles and create new pages to hold this content. If you start nominating all those auxiliary pages, you have a lot of work to do. --Chggr 09:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My view is the same. I am only one person, however. I am happy to wait and see what other people think, and will definitely do so before nominating any more pages for deletion. Anarchia 09:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

figura ]] (talk) 21:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The article was created for the best of reasons, is well sourced and entirely legitimate. Nick mallory 12:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete While I agree that the article is well organized, I don't think WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is a valid defense against the claim that that Wikipedia is not a repository of external links. It's not that I doubt the notability of the University or it's departments, just that I don't see any grounds in the guidelines or policies for keeping the article, since it seems to fail WP:NOT. (Which is a shame given the the work that went into it.)  --[[User:Bfigura| B
 * As I said before, I think that an article about a university is not complete if it doesn't provide a list of its faculties and departments. The wikipedia visitor must be informed about the scientific areas a university deals with. I believe you will agree on that. It's also a fact that a complete listing of all this information inside the university article makes it boring, unclean and very long. So what I did is simply to transfer all this information to an new page, following the tips some experienced users from WikiProject University gave me. This is my main argument and I think nobody from the "delete side" has answered to it yet. It is a pretty reasonable arguement! Furthermore, I don't understand why this new page should be deleted, provided the fact that it is very common for university articles to seperate such information (about people, departments, presidents and so on) and create new pages to hold it (see the links I gave before, and there are many many more!). It's not about two or three cases. The majority of university articles follow this practice, so this arguement is not simply a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguement. Moreover, I don't understand why you think that this article violates WP:NOT. If you think that because it has many links, I can remove them so that the article satisfies you. But I believe that it will be less useful to the wikipedia user. The fact that it has many links, doesn't automaticaly justify a WP:NOT violation. Personally I don't think that it is a link repository. I think that it provides a listing of all university's faculties, departments and laboratories and for some of them it also provides and external link. The user who wants to search for further information about a laboratory for example will follow the link to the main page of the lab. If all these links are deleted, then the wikipedia user will have to search on Google in order to find the main page of a lab and thus spend valuable energy and time. Sorry if I am getting boring, but I'm trying here to defend an article on which I spent more than 5 hours of valuable time and I don't see why it is not legitimate. –Chggr 06:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not really convinced that it's necessary to have an entire article devoted to listing departments, unless those departments are so notable that they have their own articles. If there's a policy/guideline/essay that says otherwise, let me know though.  (I can't comment on the claim that a "majority of schools have such a page", other than to say that the first two Uni's I checked (Princeton and Harvard) don't have equivalent pages). As for why it's a repository of links, it's because the page contains nothing but a list of (mainly) external links.  I'm not saying that it isn't useful, just that if someone did want a list of departments for the Uni, then google would probably take them | here.  Wikipedia isn't a directory, so there's no need to comprehensively list out all the departments/labs, unless a reasonable number of them have wikipedia articles. (Such as the research tab  here). All that said though, I'll be interested to see what the consensus is, since I think it could affect other university sites.  -- B figura  (talk) 19:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In my previous comments, I just said that it is very very common for university articles to remove all listings (of people, alumni, presidents and of course faculties labs and departments) and create a new page to hold this content. About the two articles you mentioned (Princeton and Harvard), well, Princeton does have a List of Princeton University people. Furthermore, I will agree with you that Aristotle university provides a web page with all its faculties and Departments. But it doesn't provide a web page listing all its laboratories. That is the real information found inside the nominated article and which took me at list 5 hours to gather. Finally you mentioned the MIT Template, saying that "there's no need to comprehensively list out all the departments/labs, unless a reasonable number of them have wikipedia articles". I looked at the MIT Template and found out that the majority of articles listed in the template are actually link repositories. For example: MIT School of Architecture and Planning, MIT School of Engineering, MIT School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences and so on. Chggr 06:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As above, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This is not a good argument. Anarchia 06:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete this article is not encyclopedic. Argos '  Dad  01:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. What about this is encyclopedic?  The departments and laboratories, if encyclopedic, can be simply included in the University article. Vegaswikian 02:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.