Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Armenian-Inspired Soundtracks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Duduk.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 14:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

List of Armenian-Inspired Soundtracks

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The first section of the article is simply recreating a article on duduk music. The rest of the article is full of original research based on the claim that since one musician is playing on these songs that means they are Armenian inspired. I think this is an insanely narrow topic for a list. Maybe Armenian influenced songs, or some other broad topic. Ridernyc (talk) 18:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Further comment even if these songs have elements of Armenian music "Inspired" seems like a very POV term to me. I really doubt we are going to find sources where the composers say they were "Inspired" by Armenian music. They might say they were influenced, but inspired is a much stronger term. Ridernyc (talk) 18:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 18:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 *  Delete (see below). Subjective original research not supported by the sources. — Rankiri (talk) 19:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I don't think that Original Research applies to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, the UNESCO. I think creating a new article using intensive and wide research made by the UNESCO, citing the works of the very few instrumentalists playing Duduk in movie and tv soundtracks meet Wikipedia Policy. This armenian instrument is part of a safeguarding project by Unesco and Japan. http://www.unesco.emb-japan.go.jp/htm/d_ich_arm_duduk.htm These armenian-inspired movie and tv soundtracks are so because they make use of the instrument. It doesn't exclude the possibility that these musics could be also japanese-inspired or arabic-inspired, when using additional instruments and mixing them with the duduk. But this article is about armenian-inspired music, not chinese nor german inspired soundtracks. This article is the first one specialized on armenian-inspired musics. The fact that one instrumentalist has been working with the same instrument, the Duduk, on dozens of soundtracks included in the list doesn't make a cause for page deletion. Thus, it seems logical to use this instrumentalist, as one of the world specialists and main players of this instrument, in more than one reference. This page should be expanded with the help of Japan and the UNESCO safeguarding project rather than deleted. PauperHell (talk) 19:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Saying that just because a composition uses a Duduk it's composition was therefore "inspired" by Armenian music is pure POV original research synthesis. Your points about UNESCO are meaningless here. Ridernyc (talk) 21:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The Duduk which seems to be the main point of evidence used to justify this article is not even unique to Armenia so I'm not sure why it keeps being brought ip and why it is part of this article at all. Ridernyc (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because I play the saxophone, it doesn't mean that I take my musical inspiration from Belgium. The article's title reeks of subjective inclusion criteria and I really don't think that changing it to List of movie and TV soundtracks that made use of the duduk would withstand WP:SALAT. Also, original research refers to synthesis of material that serves to advance a position not clearly advanced by the sources. None of the listed sources reach the conclusion that the soundtracks in question were Armenia-inspired. — Rankiri (talk) 23:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions.  —PauperHell (talk) 21:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Read and understand the Wikipedia deletion policy (WP:DEL), which explains valid grounds for deletion. If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing. Read the article and review its history to properly understand its topic. Some articles may have been harmed by vandalism or poor editing. Stubs and imperfect articles are awaiting further development, and so the potential of the topic should be considered. PauperHell (talk) 22:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Before nominating an article for deletion
 * There is nothing to be fixed here you are using the article as a POV coatrack. Ridernyc (talk) 04:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * merge with duduk music. I wish this would have been suggested first. This article has a lot of WP:Potential. The editor spent a lot of time referencing, I just think it needs a little more work before prime time. Creator, there is always WP:userfication once this is deleted. thanks. Ridernyc, would you allow this editor to userfy this article, or WP:incubate this article, and we can close this AFD discussion, while he works on this some more? Thanks. Okip  (the new and improved Ikip) 09:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope i see no effort to actually source the article, and I see dubious POV statements being made by the author. Ridernyc (talk) 09:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * List_of_Armenian-Inspired_Soundtracks??????? Okip BLP Contest 08:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The article's author has cited to sources that show use of the duduk (a wind instrument that produces a different sound than one would find from flutes and clarinets and the like), and I think that it's a reasonable topic for an article. I suppose that the article could be about Chris Bleth or about the use of the duduk in movie soundtracks, but I don't see any real objection to this except for the title ("Armenian-inspired").  Move it to something that refers to the duduk, perhaps.  Mandsford (talk) 15:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Duduk, in agreement with Okip's earlier suggestion. Upon closer examination, it seems that not just some but all of the list's entries are linked to use of the duduk. I have no problem with moving the relevant content into the instrument's article, but I'm still very much against keeping the page in its current state. The duduk is not an uniquely Armenian instrument and the article's title is still in violation of WP:TITLE and WP:OC. — Rankiri (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as synthesized nationalist crap (and in spite of Ararat (film), presumably. The sources are misused. Jack Merridew 09:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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