Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Armenian churches in Azerbaijan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. That's because the "delete" opinions are notably weak in the light of policy. Yes, unverifiability is a valid deletion argument, but only part of the content is unsourced, so that problem can be addressed by editorial trimming. The "propaganda" assertion is at most a content disagreement, and it's entirely unclear how WP:NOTDIR could apply to this list.  Sandstein  18:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

List of Armenian churches in Azerbaijan

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This AfD was previously set up without being listed on the logs; therefore, it did not get a proper view from the community. Relisting the AfD appropriately to enable it to have more views (and comments); the comments from the unlisted AfD have been copied below by me in sequential order. Thanks.  Wifione  Message 04:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I checked facts in the article, most of them don't have citation or reliable source. Konullu (talk) 10:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - I read the article and most of the part of the article is Armenian propaganda. Therefore, I request deletion for the page. Alismayilov(talk) 11:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC+1)
 * Comment Your statement that the article is Armenian propaganda is as unsourced as the material you object to. Can we have some reliable independent sources, please. (This applies to both sides, of course.) Peridon (talk) 22:25, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Peridon, this article was created by Armenians, they claim that there are Armenian churches in Azerbaijan, therefore they need to provide references that they actually exist in Azerbaijan. It seems that you are asking Azerbaijanis to prove that they don't exist, is that reasonable to ask this? Sorry, but I don't see any logic here. Best, Konullu (talk) 19:11, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm asking that the claim that this is 'propaganda' be substantiated. Is that unreasonable? I'm asking for any evidence available from either side or from neutral parties. Three of the items are blue linked, and blame for the destruction is laid at the door of the Soviet Union, not as a part of the post-independence conflict. Is it claimed that this is 'propaganda'? Are those articles elaborate hoaxes? What I don't want to see in this discussion is statements that Armenian history is lies and similar remarks from single purpose accounts. Hence my comment below. If three exist, why not more? Has anyone actually looked for them? I can't read Armenian or Azeri or Russian. Can any of you? 20:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)Peridon (talk)

- I read the article and most of the part of the article is Armenian propaganda. i was born in garabagh/fuzuli. And Armenian's history its lie history.Therefore, I request deletion for the page — Precedingunsigned comment added by Garabaghman (talk •contribs) 18:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note Here at Wikipedia we require proof. Not what you see - that cannot be proof under our policy of verificationWP:V. We need to be able to check it. Please see WP:RS. Please also note that single purpose accounts who post here without providing what we consider valid evidence will be ignored by the closing administrator. Peridon (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 21:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a directory --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 00:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Which of the criteria listed in WP:NOTDIR applies? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about that, too... Peridon (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename to something like "Christian heritage of Azerbaijan" as this is an encyclopedic topic. Admittedly it's a hard one to keep neutral, but that's not in itself a reason to get rid of the article. JASpencer (talk) 17:02, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename per JASpencer. After such renaming, it can be very much NPOV and has a potential. My very best wishes (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep (probably renamed and repurposed) -- The Armenian people have historically been scattered across many countries of the Middle East. Azerbaijan was one of those countries.  Before the breakup of the Soviet Union, there was a significant Armenian minority in Azerbaijan.  To be Armenian is to be Christian (at least by heritage); to be Azeri is to be Muslim, though there is a small number of Azeri converts to Christianity.  Accordingly, the hisotry of Christianity in Azerbaijan is an encyclopaedic subject.  The war over Ngorno-Karabakh led to the Azeri population leaving there and the Armenian population leaving Azeri ruled areas.  It is thus inevitable that their churches have been deserted.  Revenge for the wat may well have resulted in churches being destroyed; it may well be that some were Closed due to Soviet oppression of the Church, rather than post-Soviet Azeri actions.  The nom complains of unverified facts.  That is not a ground for deletion: it calls for improvement by finding reliable sources.  V requires that facts should be verifiable, noit that everything should be verified.  If information is false then it should be removed.  Some of the content is perhaps too detailed to be appropriate for WP: we routinely delete articles on NN churches in UK & USA, but that is not the complaint.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:26, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.