Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Armenian churches in the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 01:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

List of Armenian churches in the United States

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Challenged PROD. Challenger claims article is an "integral part of the Armenian diaspora". However, the articles fails WP:NOTDIR, especially criteria 3 and 4, as a mere listing of all of the Armenian churches in the U.S. I do not see its integrity. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. An equivalent list is List of Presbyterian churches in the United States, but this is restricted to notable churches. There don't seem to be any notable buildings or congregations on the Armenian list. StAnselm (talk) 02:21, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * @StAnselm, the notability of the entries of a list are not relevant to the notability of the list as a set, see WP:LISTN: "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles." 109.78.205.222 (talk) 09:55, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree with Presidentman that this falls foul of WP:NOTDIR, particularly point 7: "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations". This article is an excessive cross-categorization, including US churches of the Armenian branches of three flavours of Christianity. It might be preferable to deletion to split the list into three, i.e., List of Armenian Apostolic Churches in the United States etc. One of these lists already exists: List of AEUNA churches. 109.78.205.222 (talk) 10:28, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:LISTN and falls foul of WP:NOTDIR; none of the entries seems notable (at least, none has an article), nor do reliable independent sources discuss the list as a list. The same is true of List of AEUNA churches, which could also be nominated for deletion (in contrast to Armenian Evangelical Union of North America, which is notable). Comparable lists like List of Anglican churches, List of Baptist churches, List of Presbyterian churches in the United States, List of Methodist churches in the United States, List of Quaker meeting houses, etc. are restricted to churches that are notable in some way; that is not the case here. -- 203.171.196.7 (talk) 14:40, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I've PRODed List of AEUNA churches. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete for lack of coverage as a group in independent secondary sources. The only citation is to the Armeniapedia. --Bejnar (talk) 16:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
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