Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Asian teen idols


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  d elete. - Mailer Diablo 20:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Asian teen idols

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Potentially listcruft with some original research and user opinion thrown in to boot. Who decides who is a 'teen idol', anyway? There are always going to be obvious examples (Britney Spears c. 2000, etc etc), but some are going to be borderline and completely subjective. And even if sourced for every entry, a category would be much, much better, surely...

Also listing the following article of an identical style:

Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 09:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV, listcruft. Keb25 11:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per above. Also, I wouldn't turn down a speedy for the second one- no context. That said, the other has no context, but I'd let it off for the amount of content. J Milburn 11:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Mmm, yes, I gave it the benefit of the doubt as it's pretty obvious from the title what the context is; but you are right. I thought it better to bundle them together anyway since both should really end up with the same result, whatever that may end up as. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 12:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep both While WP:LIST is a valid argument, we need to also consider that Wikipedia strives to be more global than your average encyclopedia. WP:BIAS is not the applicable standard (it applies to writing style rather than to article topics) but this has the beginnings of a good article.  What defines a "teen idol"?  TV show ratings, sales of a hit single, citations to articles in "Nihachi Magazine" called "Win a Date with Yusaku!", etc.   Good concept, can be improved.  Mandsford 14:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:BIAS applies to both article topics and article editing. Masaruemoto 04:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Question - A somewhat ambiguous title. Is it meant to be teen idols who are Asian, idols who are Asian teens or idols of Asian teens? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WebHamster (talk • contribs) 14:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's obvious: this is the list of people who are (1) teenager, (2) asian and (3) idols. In other words, the intersection of peoples of (1), (2) and (3). -- Taku 02:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and while we're at it, delete List of teen idols of the 2000s as well. Categories would work if there was some way to avoid POV, but I'd prefer to see them all burned instead. CRGreathouse (t | c) 16:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   —Fg2 02:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am not sure what part of the list is the problem (while I think this list is problematic as whole.). I mean, can there be list of Asian idols, list of teen idols, list of Asian idols etc? Are you people saying that all of those combinations are off limit? -- Taku 02:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any list that contains "idols" is going to be problematic, and likely to be deleted. Masaruemoto 04:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete; as the nom says, "teen idols" are impossible to list in a verifiable, encyclopedic way. It is a subjective definition which requires original research. The teen idol article says they are "usually actors or pop singers, but some sports figures have had an appeal to teenagers", which shows how vague this topic is. Also, WP:NOT; these are loosely associated; a Japanese pop star, a Bollywood actress, a Filipino boxer, etc. All grouped together just because teenagers like them. Masaruemoto 04:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletions.   —PC78 11:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Indiscriminate, POV, and almost certainly unverifiable. PC78 13:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


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