Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Atlantis personnel in Stargate/2nd nom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete the most of the discussion centered around whether its cruft and if that a valid reason for deletion what was raised and remains unaddressed is notability thru independent sourcing. I recognise that transwiki was suggested but to where, I'm happy to restore for a limited time to a users space thus enable them to tranwiki if the destination can be provided. Gnangarra 01:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

List of Atlantis personnel in Stargate
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Having a moderate number of fiction articles is ok as far as it covers the topic. But sometimes it goes into fancruft, then a cut has to be made. Also nominating List of Stargate Command personnel, same problem. If you find more, feel free to add. These two articles were afd before and there was no debate and after almost 2 weeks noone closed the debate so I considered it deletable but I got a complaint so I nominate again in order to get a consensus. Tone 17:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions.   —Quasirandom 18:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, the previous AfD discussion did not get any debate because it was not listed properly and the nominator then decided to close the discussion himself and delete the articles. That is why I requested relisting, I have no opinion on the article itself. See also . P.S. I notified the relevant Wikiproject in order to get some more input this time. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 20:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems I somehow didn't success in listing it, maybe a browser error... Anyway, let's have a look now. --Tone 20:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * (Transwiki and) Delete as a moderate fan of the show. Way to detailed for a general encyclopedia. It's like I have never heard 90% of the non-linked names (meaning I doubt even in-universe notability). – sgeureka t•c 21:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but heavily cut down. The basic premise of the list is good, it's useful information to have, but we do not need that much detail about characters that appeared for five minutes in one episode before being killed by Monster X. That can go on episode pages. Characters that have appeared more than once should be listed somewhere, though. --Tango 22:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean like List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis and List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate SG-1? Those lists already have all the in-universe-notable ones. – sgeureka t•c 23:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. Some merging is required. I'm not quite sure what should be merged into what, but Atlantis personnel and Tau'ri characters in Alantis has far too much overlap (all but two characters, in fact). --Tango 17:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep not as List of Atlantis personnel in Stargate because is redundant with List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis but as summary of this List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis or (beause this article is big) as sub-article. This article should be keep beacause it list all characters with status and compare them (well adjusted with military ranks) by ranks, assigments... Same for List of Stargate Command personnel - Rollof1 08:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is exactly the reason why I tagged it for deletion. It lists all characters, regardless of importance or relevance to the plot. This list belongs to a stargate wiki, not to an encyclopedia. All the relevant characters are already included on other lists such as List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate SG-1, though even they need some trimming. We are building an encyc here, not a fansite. --Tone 20:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Cruft is not a reason to delete per WP:IDONTLIKEIT. There is useful nformation in these articles. Viperix 03:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I elaborated my point considerably more than just calling it cruft. And I somehow doubt how listing a characters we only know by name is useful. If you like guidelines, what about WP:IINFO. --Tone 17:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see how this article qualifies for anything in WPinfo. Just a list of characters for no reason would be un-useful, but a list of Atlantis personnel in star gate is useful. The only reason you gave besides cruft was that it had been nominated before. Viperix 20:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment Like I said on the Biker Mice AFD, these articles along with most Stargate-related material have been copied to Fancruft.net so no matter the outcome of this AFD there's still a place to edit and archive them. just FYI.--Torchwood Who? 13:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletions.   --Gavin Collins 21:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as individual characters and list thereof have no reliable secondary sources as evidence of notability.--Gavin Collins 12:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Trans-wiki and delete as per sgeureka - Ukulele 20:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


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