Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Austin City Limits performers (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  delete. Although the users who wish to keep the article numerically outnumber the ones who wish to delete, they have failed to present any strong arguments, mostly arguing that the list is useful, while the users wishing to delete have presenter stronger, guideline-based arguments.  Maxim  ( ☎ )  21:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC) I've decided to re-close this as no-consensus. I was alerted at my talkpage. I took a second look, and I felt that my previous close as delete was too hasty. What pushed me to reclose this was DGG's comment; while the users arguing to delete comments are certainly valid and strong, DGG's is equally convincing, thus no consensus exists to delete the article.  Maxim  ( ☎ )  23:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Austin City Limits performers
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Ginormous list of every act that's ever performed on Austin City Limits. Overly broad list, non-trivial intersection, violates WP:NOT and WP:NOT. Another similar list, List of past Jamboree in the Hills performers, was deleted for the same reason. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 15:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  16:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The last AfD (which I forgot about) resulted in keep without any actual rationale behind the "keep". One simply said that the list could easily be verified (which it is), and another didn't give a reason, just suggested that this should be a table instead. Therefore, I feel that last AfD did not have a consensus at all (although I would've closed it as a default keep myself). Still, I feel that the precedent set by List of past Jamboree in the Hills performers, and the fact that this violates WP:NOT twice, are sufficient. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 15:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep See my note in the previous AFD, which was just over a month ago Russeasby (talk) 16:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment to expand on my comments from the origonal AFD: I disagree that this list fails either of the WP:NOT Categories as suggested by the AFD lister. It passes WP:NOT, in that it is indeed a discriminent list, it is not a list of "all musicians", it is disciminent in that it lists only those who have preformed on ACL.  Reguarding WP:NOT, well, simply read the explaination of that, this list in no way fails here, someone care to cite where in WP:NOT this specificly fails? Also note, that the nominator here decided to argue my points on my talk page rather then here, while inappropriate I will still assume good faith. Russeasby (talk) 22:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep WP has lots of lists. This one might be useful to someone. No reason to single this one out to delete. If you want to change WP policy to get rid of all lists please let me know and you will have my support. Northwestgnome (talk) 20:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep- Austin City Limits is a notable program, and having a list of performers that has performed on the show is pretty useful for some people. Also, as some have stated, there are other lists of similar nature as well. Delete this, and their existence is no longer acceptable to Wikipedia. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 20:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The second part of your argument is basically WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]. Also, do you have any proof that there are any lists of similar nature? Tavix (talk) 22:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as a directory of information that would be impossible to verify. Although there are some references, all they do is establish that there is a list and there isn't any WP:RS that would verify this list. Tavix (talk) 22:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The list is entirely verifiable via the ACL website (link is on the page). Granted this is a primary source, but within the guidelines at WP:RS it is a permitable primary source. Since it is a list, and purely data, with no commentary the primary source is not only fine, but the most reliable one. So the list is verifiable and verified in its current state. Russeasby (talk) 22:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But it needs verifiable and at least secondary sources to show notability for groups of bands. MuZemike (talk) 05:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I follow you. Are you suggesting that the bands themselves are not notable? If thats the case lets put each of their articles up for AFD as well.  But I suspect I am misunderstanding you, care to clarify? Russeasby (talk) 12:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep An entirely logical list of notable articles. 90% of the entries have WP articles.  Those that don't should be sourced to show they performed in Austin City Limits.  No reason to the delete this one!--Mike Cline (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment its worth noting that even the few bands which do not have articles, most likely all of them are actually notable to have articles of their own (or redirects, since some may be solo members of a more notable band they played in). If they appeared on ACL it should be easy to assert their notability even beyond ACL as they were notable before their appearance or they would not have been invited in the first place. Just that no one has got around to making those articles yet, a good project for someone perhaps. Russeasby (talk) 00:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep such lists are useful, the information is verifiable, and the performers all or almost all notable. Exactly the right sort of list. would encourage as many more of t these as we can get people to work on.  Perhaps the earlier deletion needs a  review, but if the fundamental show is not as improtant perhaps there is a distinction. Using precedent for this is like saying since we have occasionally deleted an article on a band, delete every one of them. DGG (talk) 23:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per items 2, 3, and 6 of WP:LC. Stifle (talk) 12:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.