Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Australian Open Singles Finals appearances


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There's no compelling argument to delete, and no consensus to either. Ged UK  08:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

List of Australian Open Singles Finals appearances

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All the information in this article is available in other articles, including Australian Open and (for example) List of Australian Open Men's Singles champions Wikipeterproject. (talk) 21:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * No it does not because it just has the list of the years champions and runners-up, not the compilation of the finals, which it is necessary to show because it is cited in the press countless times with regard to tennis player careers. This list the exact finals each player makes and the ones they win and lose, and who wants to have delve thru that massive amount of information.  The women's articles do not cite the years like the mens, which means this is necessary to make the finals each participant on the women's and men's to navagable.69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This does not satisfy any of these reasons for deletion, go look nominator DEL!69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This article has been around for a while I just did not know how to move it, but go look here List of Australian Open Final appearances and Australian Open Final appearances. This since Sept. 2007.69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This is similar to all of these:
 * French Open Final appearances
 * Wimbledon Final appearances
 * U.S. Open Final appearances —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This nominator is pissed off how I edited Andy Murray's article, which he/she is doing this for retribution, period end of story. I think this is enough for this discussion to be closed and article kept.69.137.120.81 (talk) 23:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The nominator doesn't know what you, 69.137.120.81, are talking about. I am not upset or, as you put it, "pissed off" about anything or anyone.  Just testing whether this is a redundant list, that's all... Wikipeterproject (talk) 07:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep as there is no valid reason to delete. Article is sourced with reliable sources, and with this it mets WP:V and WP:RS. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  23:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipeterproject, but it was just a little suspicious about how you did this right after I did the murray page. If these are redundant then these articles in the two navboxs are


 * Plus, these are used in the records tables of Roger Federer, Pete Sampras, Ivan Lendl, Bjorn Borg, Stefan Edberg, Martina Navratilova, Steffi Graf, Chris Evert, Evonne Goolagong, Martina Hingis, which it needs to be their to explain the finals are something different than wins or champions.69.137.120.81 (talk) 21:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I think we need to go by the HOF and Grand Slam History, and have a page on the finals because it is cited by each one just go look at these two links one is a player and the other has a list, which go click on Chris Evert or Martina Navratilova and see my point
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 * []. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.120.81 (talk) 21:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Finals matter if not more at least equal to championships in tennis terms because they always cite Pete Sampras not making a French Open Final let alone win as a diminshment of his legacy in tennis terms.69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The champions pages (such as List of Australian Open Men's Singles champions) have both the winner and runner-up, hence the same information as this page. I guess the only difference is that you don't get an aggregate of total finals appearances.  Something to add to the champions page, perhaps?  I don't have strong feelings - I just think it's a bit messy having so many pages essentially providing the same information.  I recognise the substantial work that you, [User;69.137.120.81] must have put into this page and I'm not having a go at you at all.  Like I am sure you do, I just want to help make Wikipedia as good as possible, so if the consensus is to keep this one, I have no problem with that at all! Wikipeterproject (talk) 22:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just perfer one set standard on wikipedia, but that would never happen, so I guess redundancy is in the eye or eyes of the beholder(s).69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, I usually don't make content, but make it better, which I did here!69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * One article deals with champions, which will not include the finals statistics and historical context of the events last stage, but the Finals article can list final consecutive and have the multiple times met. The other article it would get deleted because it would not belong because one is for champs not finalist!69.137.120.81 (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Plus, the main article has non-australian open champs, which is not correct to put these tables into that article because of all of the addendums that would have to be made for the Amateur era, which I would HATE to do! Pre and Post 68 matters in tennis. I will compile these into one finals article for all grand slam finals if I have to, but I really don't want to!  I think it is up to the DELETIONIST to prove their point as to why this must be deleted not me advocating for the keeping of these articles! Plus it is in the navbox, so it is findable for these articles!69.137.120.81 (talk) 23:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Go look, how many addendums are made in the List of Australian Open Men's Singles champions article just to compile everything together, which is bad practice on wikipedia! I am think about splitting them up, and re-nominating them again for FL status if these articles are forced to be merged with the other one! Australasian Championship (1905-1926), Australian Championships (1927-1968), and Australian Open (1969-Present), which OPEN stands for something, Roy Emerson never made it to the Australian Open finals rather the Australian Championships, so his records do not belong aside Federer's at all!69.137.120.81 (talk) 00:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep, because finals are different than champions, and open is different than championships, which the champions articles have to have too many addendums, which is frowned upon just go look at the A and B notes!69.137.120.81 (talk) 00:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep because the article is about the List of the Finals of a Great Slam event, which is comparable to the mirroring articles of the other slam events. user:sulmues--Sulmues 00:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: It's worth reading WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which suggests that the existence of similar articles isn't, of itself, justification for another article.  Wikipeterproject (talk) 15:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The main articles are too long for this other stuff to be added, so it needs a new article under the policy of Size. BLUE DOG TN 19:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.