Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Avengers and New Avengers cast members


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The result was keep. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Avengers and New Avengers cast members

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A terribly unencylopedic list of people who are loosely related by having made guest appearances on a TV show. Fails WP:NOT. &mdash;gorgan_almighty 15:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep While the list isn't that developed, it's hardly a loose association. Appearing on a television show is in fact, a specific and narrow criteria.  A loose association would be something like "list of people who appeared in British spy shows" or something.  BTW, this list is not limited to guest appearances, but includes main characters.  Tag for improvement.  FrozenPurpleCube 16:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If the list was limited to the main cast then it would be specific and narrow (although it would be better merged with the main article). But a list of people who made guest appearances on two long-running shows like these is very loose and unmanageable.  This list is by no means complete, there must be hundreds of notable actors who made guest appearances on one of these two shows. &mdash;gorgan_almighty 18:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Unmanageable? Loosely associated?  Hardly.  This is a criteria of people that is unquestionably associated in a specific way.  It's no more loose or unmanageable than lists of members of legislatures.  Not to mention, this is something done by quite a few other resources.  They seem to manage just fine.  If you're going to object to this kind of list, you're going to have to try something that isn't obviously mistaken.  FrozenPurpleCube 22:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - many of the cast lists were created following a CFD for the equivalent categories. Consensus was to listify the categories and then delete. I'm neutral on this article but wanted to offer the background on its creation. Otto4711 17:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep if categories covering this are not being allowed. We need one or the other. 23skidoo 18:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do we "need" one or the other? Otto4711 21:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably because people are interested in the information, thus it makes no sense not to include it in ways that are most effective in providing that information to them. I think it's a given that Wikipedia is going to include information on television shows and actors, therefore, it becomes important to organize it.  FrozenPurpleCube 22:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The argument that it's interesting is irrelevant per WP:INTERESTING and WP:ILIKEIT. A list like this is nothing more than WP:TRIVIA. &mdash;gorgan_almighty 08:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Aah, jumping to essays....but wait, that's not at all convincing in this case. Sorry, but I think you're misunderstanding the point of the essay, and missing the point of my comment.  The fact is, television programs are unquestionably the subject of much much much in the way of reliable, third-party coverage.   This includes both on Wikipedia and off Wikipedia.  There are books, magazines, papers, and yes, even television shows about television shows.  That indicates to me people are interested in this subject.  Don't you think so?   So, maybe you should read the top of FrozenPurpleCube 17:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep The Avengers is one of the most famous programmes on British TV. This list has clear criteria for inclusion and can be sourced properly.  There's nothing loose or unmanageable about it.  The fact that a list is incomplete is a reason to complete it, not delete it. Nick mallory 00:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep not in the best of shape, but eventually could mature. Carlossuarez46 21:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm still favouring delete on this one, but if we must keep this wouldn't it be better as a category rather than a list? &mdash;gorgan_almighty 16:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.