Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Avengers issues


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus, but if all necessary content has been merged this can just be redirected. Please note that 'merge and delete' is not a valid option. --Sam Blanning(talk) 10:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

List of Avengers issues
This article was spun-off from the main article in a good-faith edit, however the content within is generally considered to be POV through discussion at WT:CMC. --Jamdav86 16:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Article Creator Comment if you want to skim thru, read the points in bold. Hmm.. As the editor who split this article, I don't think I should have a say in the final decision to avoid conflict of interest. So, let me just give you the reasons of my actions. First, I stumbled upon this article when looking for info on death of superman. I like comic books, but am not a collector or an afficionado. (but perhaps I'm going there). When I found Avengers (comics) article I felt it was getting WP:SIZE, especially the Avengers (comics) and Avengers (comics) section. Which I think should be merged into one section and moved split into another article on the History of Avengers (comics) but I'm not knowledgable enough on the subject to execute a good move. The next that IMHO should be split is List of Avengers issues which lists avenger issues. The AfD notice Jamdav86 left on my talk led me to the AfD which led to WT:CMC After browsing thru the WT:CMC, I couldn't find POV talks relating to the issues, just the bibliography notability debate. Which made me realize that there is a bibliography page on the avengers, here. Which in turn would mean that this is actually a duplicate article. So, I think it should rather be merged into that existing article, or if bibliography is deemed non notable, then the bibliography article should be merged into the list instead. Whichever the concensus leads to. I'd be bold and do that right now if it isn't because of AfD. On, the POV issue raised in this AfD. My search on the WP:CMC yield no talk on POV pertaining the content of the article. It's maybe buried in the archive. I dunno. But again, IMHO, POV issues should be solved with a WP:POV instead of an AfD and therefore, this nomination should be refused and the article should be kept with the merge point considered. Feureau 16:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The POV comes in when we decide which articles are "significant" and which aren't. It's related to WP:PEACOCK, really. -- HKMarks TALK CONTRIBS  17:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * When an article is being decided as significant or not, it relates not to WP:POV but instead WP:N.Feureau 22:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, in this case (as in some others) I believe it would relate to WP:POV as it is more an issue of bias against certain issues instead of their notability. If it was a true List of Avengers issues, it would contain all issues of Avengers and the notability criteria would apply to the list as a whole, however that some/many issues are not included shows a bias against them, which is POV. --Newt Ψ  Φ  16:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge back into Avengers (comics) as issue citations and publication history . This doesn't need to be a separate list. (It seems mostly to duplicate info there anyway, but just to be sure.) -- HKMarks TALK CONTRIBS  16:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Content issues are not deletion criteria, as they can easily be rectified. The concept of the list itself is not unworthy of keeping, and definitely shouldn't be merged back into Avengers (comics). The traditional precedent is that long breakdowns like TV episode guides, discographies, and comics issue lists generally should be made a separate List article. wikipediatrix 16:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've started merging this back, into the text . It's only significant issues, which are already discussed in detail in the main article.  The main article's history lacks issue numbers.  If it was a complete list like List of The Amazing Spider-Man comics, fine, and if the History section was split off, fine, but as is it's just redundant, and a bit POV. -- HKMarks TALK CONTRIBS  16:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge complete. There wasn't much to do: see difference. -- HKMarks TALK CONTRIBS  17:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I can see the reasoning behind a more comprehensive list (e.g. List of The Amazing Spider-Man comics, but I agree the choice of issues briefly summarized in this list is POV. --Newt Ψ  Φ  16:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I used to agree with you, but Hiding's discovery of wikia:comics suggests the moving of that page there, and an Avengers list like that also created there. --Jamdav86 16:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Can you link to that specific list, I'm unfamiliar with the site and wasn't able to find it in a cursory search. --Newt Ψ Φ  18:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it exists yet. --Jamdav86 16:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Sorry, misunderstood I think. --Newt Ψ Φ  16:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. In general there's nothing wrong with a list of issues, provided the main article is too long, but there's nothing here that's not already in the main article. Vectro 03:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm not sure that the "choice of issues briefly summarized in this list is POV" necessarily. It can simply mean that the list is incomplete and needs more information. Doczilla 17:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge any relevant info into Bibliography of Avengers titles and Delete. CovenantD 00:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.