Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ball State University faculty and staff


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. Let me state merger is a considerable and valid option, however I suggest you to discuss the possibility to turn List of Ball State University alumni into List of Ball State University people in the article talkpage. Additionally, I am concerned about the lack of notability assertion for the faculty members in this list, so a simple merger is not appropriate unless a selection is made. In any case, I am definitely available to apply the David Eppstein solution and restore the whole content once a clear consensus to do so is established in the article talkpage. --Angelo (talk) 12:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

List of Ball State University faculty and staff

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This list was originally broken out of Ball State University, apparently over concerns about the length of the parent article. The word "notable" was originally in the title, then it was later moved to the current title, although the lead sentence still refers to "notable" faculty. I see this as an unmaintainable list. Is it intended to be a complete listing of all the faculty or not? If not, then the title is misleading, and there's the problem of having a list of notable people that is totally arbitrary and unsourced. If it is intended to be complete, then it's inaccurate. It hasn't had significant editing in over a year, and I doubt that the faculty at the school is that static. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have a direct link to the university's own faculty search page in the parent article? Joyous! | Talk 23:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that Wikipedia was trying to compete with "The Whitepages" WP:NOT - Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 23:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:IINFO and WP:NOT. As it stands, the article is a red link farm and has little chance of being more than that. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep "Is it intended to be a complete listing of all the faculty or not? If not, then the title is misleading" --- no, read WP:BIO: "Several articles contain or stand alone as lists of people - for instance, usually an article on a college includes or links to a list of notable alumni. Such lists are not intended to contain everyone (e.g. not all people who ever graduated from the school). Instead, inclusion on the list should be determined by the criteria above. Because of this, "notable" is assumed, and that word (or similar, such as "famous," "noted," "prominent," etc.) should not be included in the title of the list article. See list naming conventions.". Listing academics by university is a perfectly acceptable means of organisation. Nor do I see anyone making any attempt to determine whether the academics on the list are notable, and any university with tens of thousands of students is inevitably going to have at least some staff worth writing an article about --- whether they're redlinks or bluelinks has nothing to do with it. cab (talk) 00:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed vote to Merge per David Eppstein to comply with naming and organisations conventions for university lists. cab (talk) 08:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm not sure I understand the point; if you don't see anyone making an attempt to determine whether anyone on this list is notable, it means that the author hasn't established why these persons are selected. The bigger problem I see is that this comes down to an editor's opinion that some persons at Ball State are more important than others.  Every college or university student can recall a person who was a major influence, but that's not the basis for a list like this.  Nor, in my opinion, should we have who's who lists for each university.  Mandsford (talk) 02:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly not limited to notable faculty and staff--vanity page for the univ. JJL (talk) 02:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  -- Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of Ball State University alumni, rename to List of Ball State University people for consistency with the many other lists in Category:Lists of people by university in the United States, and remove all the redlinks. For "List of..." articles of this type, "notable" can be assumed as an implicit part of the title without having to actually have it there. The number of Ball State faculty notable enough to have their own article is too small to make a good list, but I don't see a good reason not to keep the information somewhere. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. This has no hope of being anything other than a bunch of redlinks.  Few if any of the people on the list are actually notable.  Definitely not any more notable than any other member of the faculty. --L. Pistachio (talk) 07:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of Ball State University alumni and remove redlinks, per David Eppstein. JohnCD (talk) 09:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename per David Eppstein.Bm gub (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. Davodd (talk) 01:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What would cleaning up entail? I would see it as deleting all the redlinks and leaving a "list" of two people --L. Pistachio (talk) 02:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I should also note that just saying you want to keep the article means nothing without an accompanying argument. AfD is not a vote. --L. Pistachio (talk) 03:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Wikipedia is not a directory. Robotforaday (talk) 02:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and rename per David Eppstein Pete.Hurd (talk) 05:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete Most of the names need editing and wikipedia is not a directory. I consider a speedy deletion.--Pookeo9 (talk) 00:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete is not an option here. -Jéské ( Blah v^_^v ) 01:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Pookeo and RfaD. Wikipedia isn't a directory. -Jéské ( Blah v^_^v ) 01:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that a list contains redlinks does not make it a directory. cab (talk) 01:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


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