Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Brazilian footballers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite 16:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Brazilian footballers

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

Overlisting - information is already present in. GiantSnowman 17:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:
 * - already present in
 * - already present in

GiantSnowman 17:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and prior consensus to delete similar lists which duplicate information in the Foo-ian footballers categories. Jogurney (talk) 17:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Prior consensus established through a few AfDs. Here is one: Articles_for_deletion/List_of_English_footballers. Jogurney (talk) 00:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep all No valid reason for deletion has been specified. It is quite permissible to have a category and a list, and we don't delete one because we have the other. The list in this case t has the advantage of dates, which helps for browsing and identification. If other such lists were deleted, they should be restored. DGG (talk) 18:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - my reason is that ALL the information in the lists of players already exists in the categories; in fact, the categories actually contain more players than the lists. GiantSnowman 18:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'd rather see it in a sortable table, but that can be done with editing. DGG is right. The category does not contain the years which could help with searching. - Mgm|(talk) 18:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - will obviously never be complete, and is the sort of information that is handled perfectly well by a category. - fchd (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree The number of professional teams, and thus professional football players is limited. - Mgm|(talk) 20:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Over a hundred or more years, there must have been tens of thousands of Brazilian professional footballers. Even a list of Brazlian INTERNATIONAL footballers would presumably be well into 4 figures. - fchd (talk) 22:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep all - discriminate, organised and contains information additional to that in a category. Significantly more information could be added but meanwhile the red links are helpful. TerriersFan (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - what additional information? - the Brazilian list has DOB, the Danish has a few (and only a very few) playing positions, and the Taiwanese list has nothing other than the Chinese language names - in my eyes this is not really "information additional to that in a category". GiantSnowman 22:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - then add some more - the fact that a list could do with expansion is not a deletion ground. TerriersFan (talk) 22:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - add some more what? As Richard Rundle correctly notes, the list of players will never be complete. GiantSnowman 23:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - well, if you want to do something you could make a nice table with DOBs, position, clubs played for etc which would help develop the encyclopaedia rather more than spending a lot of effort trying to get some innocuous pages deleted. TerriersFan (talk) 23:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all. All the notable Brazilian footballers are in the category (more than 2,000 footballers). Category it's easier to be updated than a list. This is not even a list of players that joined the national squad. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all much better handled through categorization. JBsupreme (talk) 06:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep all - has the nom checked that all in the list are also in the category, and has the nom noticed that many of those in the category are in subcategories and thus not visible at the top level? Lists and categories are complementary (neither is ever complete) - the list could be upgraded to give position, no of games played, goals scored etc. Occuli (talk) 08:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all Totally unnecessary and unmaintainable given that we have a category. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's obviously untrue, since a category can do none of the things Occuli just mentioned. - Mgm|(talk) 10:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is that the list is currently inferior to the category and making it superior by adding tables etc seems unmanageable when there would need to be over 10,000 entries in the list. Jogurney (talk) 14:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * KEEP but redefine as _List of Brazil international footballers_ Given that List of Germany international footballers has just become a featured list, such a list is justifiable. Simply a list of Brazilian footballers without restricting criteria is likely to be unmanageably huge and better handled by category - all but impossible to supply number of games and goals for all those players for all they've played due to lack of sourcing, particularly for players from long ago. List should be restricted to International players which can then easier be expanded with additional info (international goals, games etc) per Germany one. As far as a list of Brazilian player being kept over category simply because it has dates, you can search category Brazil football player and category xxxx births simultaneously. ditto comments for other 2 candidates-- Club Oranje Talk 18:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I see this list just as another category just with year of birth attached. This is little difference other than the fact the category is by far more complete. So I vote to delete this list and the others. Govvy (talk) 20:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.