Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Brazilian footballers (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. NW ( Talk ) 15:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Brazilian footballers
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This article is literally a category in list form. Every player here - and many more besides - are already listed in. The only "additional" information presented here is dates of birth, but that is no reason for this article to be kept. The fact that many of the articles listed on redirect to categories or other, more general articles show that there is no need, and no desire, for such a specific 'List of Fooian footballers'. GiantSnowman 15:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 15:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's perfectly permissible to have both a category and a list duplicating the same function, because each has its own advantages.  See WP:CLN for detailed reasoning.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  15:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - this is the only one of the nominated lists where I could potentially see some use. Due to the nature of the names under which Brazilian footballers play, I can imagine readers often find themselves looking at the category and wondering which player is the one they're after, as many of the articles are under their full names, which may bear little resemblance to their "playing names".  If this list could be converted into a table giving playing name, full name, and maybe some other details, it might potentially be of some use........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ignore me, I see it's already got that info. it could probably be a bit clearer, though..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What kind of a list of Brazilian footballers omits Marta, anyway? Powers T 16:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One that you can add players to at any time by simple editing?? Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Lists and categories go hand-in-hand per WP:CLN.  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yet WP:LISTCRUFT says we shouldn't have lists which are "unlimited and/or unmaintainable", which a list of Brazilian footballers is. GiantSnowman 17:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:LISTCRUFT is an essay, whereas WP:CLN is a guideline. We're free to disregard essays, but guidelines should normally be followed.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  21:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep is a useful list in-keeping with Wikipedia. Eldumpo (talk) 10:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This list is needed as it includes additional information not available in a category, such as the players nicknames, full names and birth dates. --Carioca (talk) 22:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per WP:CLN, a category does not negate the appropriateness of a list. Rlendog (talk) 19:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The category cannot tell the artist name and full name of the player. Such as Zé Maria article name space is José Marcelo Ferreira. Matthew_hk   t  c  23:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.