Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British Prime Ministers by nicknames


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The result was keep. Krakatoa Katie  03:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

List of British Prime Ministers by nicknames

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Page verges on CSD:G10 -- "Pages that serve no purpose but to disparage their subject". For the top half of the table, large chunks of WP:BLP apply. This is unlikely to ever change: politicans' nicknames are inevitably almost always going to be disparaging, leading to BLP issues for the living and NPOV issues for the dead. -- simxp (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Were it any other blog that was used as a source, I'd have my doubts, but | http://www.number-10.gov.uk is from the office of the Prime Minister, and if it's good enough for Gordo, it's good enough for me. Presidential nicknames are considered encyclopedic, from "Father of His Country" to "Dubya" and this is the equivalent for the British p.m. Mandsford (talk) 02:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Of the twenty-four nicknames given for living prime ministers (i.e. which must meet WP:BLP), a grand total of one is sourced to http://www.number-10.gov.uk/... -- simxp (talk) 03:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A grand total of one? Where did you get that? Footnotes #27 through #50 add up to 24.  So which of those is the "one"?  Mandsford (talk) 04:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The "one" is #11. The others, unless someone's been indulging in a little prime ministerial necromancy, rather fail to qualify as "living".... -- simxp (talk) 05:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I overlooked that your "grand total of one" statement was qualified to living British prime ministers (of which there are "a grand total of four" -- Brown, Blair, Major and Thatcher). Not as grand as it might look at first blush, but at least one person seems to have been persuaded by your observation.  Not surprisingly, the nicknames cited for the four living persons are from sources other than the Office of the Prime Minister.   Mandsford (talk) 13:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per simxp's comments.  RC-0722 communicator/kills 03:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, per precedent (Articles for deletion/List of United States Presidential names). If the President of the United States has a list of nicknames, why not the Britsh Prime Minister - surely one is as relevant as the other? --Philip Stevens (talk) 06:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per precedent at (Articles for deletion/List of United States Presidential names).Grsz11 (talk) 06:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments, if you feel that way, I hope you'll be putting the equivalent list for US Presidents up for deletion. --Philip Stevens (talk) 06:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm strongly thinking about it. Stay tuned for further developments. Mangoe (talk) 00:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and add reliable sources to those that can be sourced and remove those that can't. Just because they are nicknames does not mean they are unencyclopedic. Davewild (talk) 08:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Nicknames such as the Iron Duke or Welsh Wizard are not disparaging and are, in any case, very notable. Contemporary nicknames need good sourcing to minimise abuse but this is normal editing.  The title seems unsatisfactory and would be better grammar as List of nicknames of British Prime Ministers. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Colonel W., I only yesterday learned about Churchill's codename during World War II; not a nickname, certainly, but an interesting choice. I'm an admirer of Sir Winston as well.  Mandsford (talk) 05:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This is nothing more than a trivia collection, as it is written. Surely this information makes more sense in the context of the articles on the individual PMs. Mangoe (talk) 14:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. --House of Scandal (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Grsz....--Camaeron (talk) 19:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Graz, you are using WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This page reqiures much sourcing but at present breaks WP:BLP. LizzieHarrison 20:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BLP concerns can simply be address by removing all nicknames that are not sourced, there are enough sourced ones to make the page valid. Davewild (talk) 20:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep historical information,adequately sourced; its reasonable to bring this together.DGG (talk) 01:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep the article and delete the unsourced nicknames: there's no reason to treat this differently from the US Presidents. Nyttend (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.