Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of COVID-19 deniers who died of COVID-19


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The result was delete. WP:POVFORK to draw attention to subjects who do not meet the WP:LISTN criteria. RL0919 (talk) 06:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

List of COVID-19 deniers who died of COVID-19

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Per Articles for deletion/Critics of COVID-19 safety measures that have died from COVID-19. Another one of these indiscriminate COVID death lists, based on WP:SYNTH and a likely WP:POVFORK. Curbon7 (talk) 03:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 03:43, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 03:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete was unare this had been created and deleted before, if consensus is it shouldn't be here, the it should go. -AndrewRG10 (talk) 04:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per AndrewRG10 above (the article's creator) endorsing deletion; furthermore, I echo the nominator's concern about this being a POV fork. jp×g 06:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Reluctant delete. COVID-19 denial currently redirects to COVID-19 misinformation, but is a broader topic and deserves to be a standalone article (which I may get around to). If that had existed, I would have lvoted to merge some of the more vocal, adversarial critics who paid the ultimate price (not people like Herman Cain, who only passively flouted the recommended precautions). Clarityfiend (talk) 06:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Undecided. As more of them succumb, we are starting to see articles such as At least 6 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines (Business Insider), Marc Bernier Becomes Third Anti-Vax Radio Host to Die of COVID-19 (Slate) Clarityfiend (talk) 10:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per my comments at Articles for deletion/Critics of COVID-19 safety measures that have died from COVID-19 Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. Most of the people listed do not have articles and not all of them were even actual full COVID deniers. The inclusion of a bunch of random local people who got limited or local press coverage is not only a violation of our policy against indiscriminate lists, it is needlessly cruel to their friends and relatives. That is a WP:NOTNEWS violation. The coverage of their deaths may have served the purpose of encouraging others to behave more responsibly at the time but there is no need to add them to a big list of people who died due to bad decisions in perpetuity. The section on the so-called "Herman Cain Award" is also unacceptable. This is not an award. This is just some people on Reddit doing what people on Reddit do. Nobody cares about that. A similar article on this topic has already been deleted, and that one had a slightly less egregious title, so this one has no hope of legitimacy. --DanielRigal (talk) 10:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:NLIST suggests that for stand-alone lists, the list as a collective (though not necessarily its individual items) should have been discussed by sources that pass GNG. As far as I can tell, no such sources have discussed this breadth of list as a collective, and so the only sensible response is to delete. This is further reinforced by WP:BLP; while the individuals are, by definition, deceased, they all died within the past two years, and thus are still covered by the policy; I don't believe this list is in compliance with either the intent or word of the policy. BilledMammal (talk) 11:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect into a new or existing section of COVID-19 misinformation. It's a notable sub-phenomenon of misinformation/impact of the pandemic, but probably not notable enough (yet) for its own list. (I think a list is not even a good format for this for now; plain narrative text is probably better until the number of people with their own Wikipedia page has surpassed something like 10 or 15). All people who are not independently notable should not be mentioned by name, but commonalities/patterns between their behaviour may be used to give some background information on why and how these people died. The people who do have their own articles such as Herman Cain and the presidents of Tanzania and Burundi definitely deserve a mention in this COVID-19 misinformation section. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:27, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. This is no different than a list of non-notable medical professionals who are vaccine hesistant and then die of Covid, or firefighters who die in house fires. We don't have, for good reason, List of Cigarette Danger Deniers who Died Of Lung Cancer. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  17:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:LISTN. KidAd  •  SPEAK  19:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to COVID-19 misinformation and carry the blue-linked items over into prose form, as suggested by . It's not implausible that this kind of thing will happen enough that RS will discuss it as a trend, thus making the set as a whole a wiki-notable topic. At the moment, this seems more like a "Redirect with possibilities" than a "no list like this could ever exist". XOR&#39;easter (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know that media coverage would make this an encyclopedic topic, since there do not exist objective criteria for what makes someone's death ironic enough to include. Similar articles would not fare well; I imagine we would be quick to delete things like List of gun control advocates who were shot during robberies, List of gun control opponents who were killed in gun accidents, List of bloggers who are un-American, List of movie stars who are jerks in real life, List of Wikipedia editors who have disagreed with XOR'easter, List of Wikipedia editors who make long lists of stupid nonexistent articles as an excuse to make lame meta-jokes, etc. jp×g


 * Delete Even worse than the other list that was deleted, despite being more clearly defined. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete exactly per the same reasoning as Articles for deletion/Critics of COVID-19 safety measures that have died from COVID-19. This is not /r/LeopardsAteMyFace. (Not to mention borderline WP:BLP violations under the WP:BDP provisions.) --MuZemike 02:43, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As I said at Articles for deletion/Critics of COVID-19 safety measures that have died from COVID-19:"WP:SYNTH and WP:LISTN issues aside, I consider listing this people by this intersection to be fundamentally incompatible with Wikipedia's policy on WP:Attack pages. Leave disparaging the judgments of deceased people to places like the Darwin Awards, Cracked.com, and r/LeopardsAteMyFace."Perhaps this is not sufficiently identical to that article to qualify for WP:Speedy deletion per WP:G4, but the same arguments apply and I don't think we should have to relitigate this at regular intervals. TompaDompa (talk) 04:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Simply not notable at all. --RamotHacker (talk) 18:46, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


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