Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation cast members


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Krimpet (talk) 01:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation cast members

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Indiscriminate list of names that gives no context to how they are relevant to the show Sandtiger 21:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete No context, I guess this could be a category but as a list completely useless. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete This list is unusual in that there are no dead links on it. Which is good... but would anyone really search for this article? --PrincessBrat 18:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This list was created from a category (using my bot account) which had been listed on CFD. The consensus there was to listify the category. At the moment, the list may be of marginal use but I have seen other lists expanded to include characters the actors portrayed in the series. Now, if this list gets deleted then perhaps there is no point in listifying the rest of the 80 categories in Category:Categories to be listified then deleted but then that goes against the CFD consensus. Personally I think there is way too much fan-cruft with television series on Wikipedia including long lists of actors that appeared in whatever series. The lists are of marginal value in my opinion for the most part but they tend to be popular for some reason. RedWolf 02:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for pointing that out. I can see the list being of some value if it was expanded to something like this. It would take a lot of work though, and I'm not sure if it will be worth the effort.Sandtiger 17:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep perhaps no use now, because it's a simply listifying of the category, but it has potential to grow into a better article, and then it will be much more useful then a category can ever be. There is widespread concensus for this methodology per CFD. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 21:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * &emsp; Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached  &emsp; Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 12:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, no useful purpose for gathering this information. --Mus Musculus (talk) 16:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete arbitrary and lacks any added value.-- danntm T C 17:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as it contains no information beyond what a category could communicate. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You are ignoring the fact that these categories are no longer "allowed" by concensus. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * My bad. Keep, then, at least until consensus changes on the categories. It would certainly help things if this was more detailed/referenced, though; example: # of episodes the character has appeared in, character summary, etc. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 04:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Lists are useful, no reason to delete this.  It should be expanded to include useful information and to replace a deleted category. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk problem solving 20:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This isn't anything that the iMDB can't handle.  Not to ONUnicorn, might want to check WP:USEFUL as a counterpoint to your !vote. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 23:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete – these lists deserve to be kept only if they provide better information than the equivalent category. The consensus at the Actors by series CfD was that guest roles do not count (per Radiant, who closed the CfD).  This list was created by a bot, and I don't see that an effort to prune it and add good tabulated data (like that in List of Highlander cast members, linked to by Sandtiger, above) is forthcoming. — mholland (talk) 23:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep --Remi 00:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate, Remi? -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 19:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per precedent; the corresponding categories were deleted and are to be replaced by lists; they will look crummy for a time, fix 'em don't delete them. Carlossuarez46 23:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * weak Keep. My first response was only a comment although I may have been leaning more for delete than keep. However, after reading some of the comments and with further reflection, I am swayed a bit to the keep side now. This list is not even 30 days old and other similar lists have been allowed survival because they have been expanded to list characters and such so the list might be more helpful. Also keep in mind that the CSD debate was to listify and not simply purge the category so there was perhaps some consensus there was potential for a decent list article. I think the CSI fans out there (I am not one of them) need to be given a reasonable length of time to expand the list into more suitable content. However, if say in a couple months, the list remains in almost the same state as it is now, then I would vote delete. RedWolf 07:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.  -- Pax:Vobiscum 16:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see how this list can be indiscriminate, it has clear criteria for inclusion and the subject looks non-trivial to me. It serves a purpose (since the main article cannot possibly contain every single actor) and doesn't violate any policy. Yes, there is room for improvement in term of context, but that is not a reason for deletion. Pax:Vobiscum 16:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: My bad then. When I nominated the article it was really just a list of names. I was actually the one who added headings in an attempt to organize the list. But the question still remains, is Wikipedia the place for something like this? Should we really have an article about every guest star & cameo appearance? If this eventually gets expanded to something useful like List of Highlander cast members, it will just be a copy of info from imdb.com — Sandtiger  17:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Another Comment. For the past few weeks I've been monitoring all the CSI related topics and I can say that there has been very little activity. Looks like CBS has successfully lured all fans away from wikipedia through its Official CSI wiki, which they actually furnish with official photographs & behind-the-scenes info. I don't think anyone would be interested to fix this list, especially not if it's already been done in another website. — Sandtiger  18:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * CommentI think your general concerns are valid, but that's more of a matter of adjusting policy. Under current policies I think this article should be kept. Pax:Vobiscum 18:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I guess we can keep it then, until consensus changes on List of (TV show) cast members.— Sandtiger  18:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep to conform with previous consensus on the CFD. Lists can be much better than categories, and this is a good example of why. Fixing should always be a bigger priority than deletion. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 01:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep this is a maintainable article and can be improved by adding a description to each name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clayoquot (talk • contribs) 06:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC).


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.