Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Cal Fire firefighters killed in the line of duty


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was A bit of a mess. User:doncram's well-intentioned move during the discussion has changed the focus and topic of the discussion part-way through. The consensus I discern is that there should not be a list of people in the article, as Wikipedia is not a memorial, but there is (generously) no consensus against deleting an article about the memorial itself. Therefore, I have blanked the list of memorialized people from California Firefighters Memorial but left that article in place; anyone wishing to nominate the article for deletion may do so straight away. Stifle (talk) 08:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

List of Cal Fire firefighters killed in the line of duty

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WP:NOTMEMORIAL. This list is solely intended as a memorial page Gbawden (talk) 09:15, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: the items on the list don't pass WP:GNG, which they should per WP:NLIST. Additionally, coming close to WP:MEMORIAL. — crh 23   &thinsp;(Talk) 09:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as not convincing for its own article. SwisterTwister   talk  06:52, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment The article contributor User:Reddgroom might be interested to know that articles about firefighting memorials/monuments are allowed. Perhaps this could be moved/renamed to be about a Cal Fire memorial? See Category:Firefighting memorials. -- do ncr  am  19:30, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep although move probably to California Firefighters Memorial, and revise accordingly. The CFM sits on state Capitol grounds, includes sculptures and a memorial wall, was created in 1990s, cost $2 million, and there are numerous sources about it. An article about it can certainly include external link to list of fallen firefighters. See . do  ncr  am  19:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. Funds were raised by a special license plate and also I think by a check-off box on the California state income tax form, and for these there were various state legislative bills. So there exists extensive coverage of its creation. I hope/assume refocusing article this way would be accepted by article creator and it certainly would be nicer than outright deletion. -- do ncr  am  20:01, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia is neither a web host nor a memorial. Article content seems barely relevant to the Memorial itself; I do not see a move as appropriate. Content can be restored if an editor wishes to use it to create the Memorial article. Regards, James (talk/contribs) 17:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Meaning no disrespect, I am selectively picking up on your point that a Memorial article could be created using the existing article with its edit history, and going ahead with that sooner rather than later (see Comment, next). Thank you for your view, which is constructive also. -- do  ncr  am  18:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: Rather than debate the merits of deleting this then restoring it to revise into a refocused article, vs. moving this article, I have just wp:BOLDly gone ahead and moved/renamed the article. It is unusual but allowed to move an article during an AFD.  Given no support so far for keeping the article as it was, I think this is helpful in saving the contribution, and in saving our time.  If the AFD concludes that the article should be saved in its original form, it can be moved back and restored to a previous version. -- do  ncr  am  18:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.