Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of California goth and industrial bands


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.-Wafulz (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

List of California goth and industrial bands

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Does this not violate WP:NOTDIR? Freqsh0 (talk) 09:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Lists are allowed (see WP:LISTS), but it does need to be cited, just like everything else, and it looks like it needs it. Atyndall93  |  talk  10:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

*Keep Article is in a poor state, i have tagged it for cleanup, as it fails Lists on many levels, but the subject is notable and ok for a list article. -- neon white user page talk 13:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:NOTLINK.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 11:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Query. Why goth and industrial (and, according to the lead, synthpop) specifically?  Are the genres so closely related (in style, history, whatever) as to require one article between them?   Anturiaethwr  Talk  13:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They are very related in some aspects, but many members of the "goth" crowd and the "industrial" crowd will take offense to being mistaken for the other :) The "scene" for these genres is very small by most standards, and most major cities in North America will have a club night or 2 weekly or monthly dedicated to both. Musically speaking, it's fairly easy for someone familiar with them to distinguish the two, but the truth is that they are virtually always grouped together on playlists, music festivals (wave gotik treffen, mera luna), music stores, magazines (side-line magazine) and record labels (metropolis records). Distinguishing the two can be a highly contested issue, but I believe everyone would agree that, for better or worse, the two always end up "together". Freqsh0 (talk) 22:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And just a followup, I am reasonably familiar with the scene on a larger scale (as in, not specifically california, more so the bands that were successful enough to "make it out of" california), and I've heard of maybe 10% of these bands. You'll notice many listed don't even have a website in the website column, and the band name is not wikilinked, because they're not notable enough for an article. If this article is kept, I believe such entries, at the very least, should be pruned. Freqsh0 (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Kay... I'm neutral then.  Anturiaethwr  Talk  13:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, it seems that only a handful of the bands have articles, and the rest seem to be advertising their home page. If this page can undergo a serious cleanup, I might reconsider.
 * Delete on reflection, i have reconsidered. This seems to fail to be an appropriate topic for a list according to Lists (stand-alone lists). Far too specific. Criteria fails to explain the significance of california. -- neon white user page talk 17:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * After reading that, specifically the section on considering a category, it would make a lot more sense to me to create a "Goth and Industrial bands from California" category, and throw the notable ones with articles in there. Seems to be more consistent with how wikipedia is organized in general. Freqsh0 (talk) 00:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge content... no reason to break this down by state... List of goth and industrial bands seems acceptable. gren グレン 10:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.