Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Cambodian singers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Note that if IP disruption resumes this can be brought to WP:RFPP or another appropriate venue. T. Canens (talk) 03:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Cambodian singers

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Contested PROD - PROD reason was "This is a strange one. It was moved to user space In February 2010 by someone who has since been indef blocked for page move vandalism, and I've just moved it back to main space as I see no reason for it having been there (The user whose space it was in, User:Ganerer appears inactive and to have had nothing to do with it). Since then it has been heavily edited by a number of IP editors, including some who are kids who have a known history of making unreferenced and unsupportable additions to pages related to SE Asia (and usually having them deleted). It is completely unreferenced, and one of the IPs even claimed "NO SOURCES NEEDED FOR THIS ARTICLE, IT IS NOT A MAIN ARTICLE" in an edit summary. The whole thing is a mess - I'm sure a good article could be written, but I wouldn't trust a word of what has been written here, and I think deleting it and starting afresh with proper sources is probably the only way to go." -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree otherwise move back to userspace--125.27.54.210 (talk) 17:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * An article can not be kept in userspace for ever - userspace can only be used to temporarily hold work-in-progress articles that are going to be moved to mainspace, and they must be in the userspace of the user who is developing them. That is clearly not the case here - this should never have been moved to User:Ganerer's space in the first place, and it looks as if it was done as an act of page move vandalism. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cambodia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
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 * Comment. I've just noticed that there is already a short list of Cambodian musicians at List of Cambodians -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've cleaned up the article a bit, removing all the entries that don't have WP articles. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 02:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not your work. 'IT SHOULD NOT STAY IN MAINSPACE otherwise delete it.--125.25.12.246 (talk) 08:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What does "Not your work" mean? Anyone can work on it if they want to. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete The horrible lack of sourcing for this, even pruned list, and ownership issues from IPs who want to keep it in someone else's userspace for ever doesn't indicate much notability. Ged  UK  06:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is nothing more than a list of notable people of a particular occupation and nationality, perhaps the most basic kind of list of people on Wikipedia. At present it only has bluelinks; I have no reason to doubt those people are notable as long as those articles exist.  I personally wouldn't insist upon a cite for something as basic as an individual's occupation and nationality, as clicking on those bluelinks will clearly confirm whether they are 1) Cambodian and 2) a singer, but clearly this is something that could be sourced within this list even though it is not at present.  Whether this list may be appropriately merged into another one is a different question.  And the fact that this list has been disrupted by particular editors is certainly not a basis for deleting it; try protection if no other option works.  postdlf (talk) 19:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. My comments about the article being unsourced, and about the additions made by known IPs who have a history of not understanding notability and of adding unsourced and unsourceable material, was aimed at the mass of redlinks and unlinked names that were originally in the list, and which clearly could not be trusted - what is left now is a very small portion of the list that I originally brought here. If it is kept, there is still some more pruning to do - 1) The Khmer Rouge wasn't a Cambodian singer, and so shouldn't actually be a member of the list itself. 2) The "Artists who sings for Multiple Productions" part is unsourced (as per the "multiple productions") and just duplicates people from further above anyway. 3) Some unsourced comments about some individual singers need to be sourced or removed. I'll be happy to clean it up further should it be kept. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.