Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Canadian Roman Catholic entertainers


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The result was delete. Krimpet (talk) 05:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

List of Canadian Roman Catholic entertainers

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46% of Canadians are Roman Catholic. This intersection of occupation and religion is comparable to the deletion of the delete category Category:Roman Catholic entertainers : Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 29. A non-notable intersection in list format. List can only be fully sourced by unreliable religious-obsessed websites anyway. etc. Bulldog123 22:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm with you on this one ( though abstaining, for now ) but if you'll indulge me for a minute while I play devil's advocate (and blatantly ignore WP:WAX in the process): how is this fundamentally different from, say, List of Scientologist celebrities? In terms of sheer numbers, there's obviously a difference but, conceptually, the list is just as random as this one (ie. attribute A has very little or nothing to do with attribute B). And as far as sources go, it would be possible to just include those entertainers who are publicly speaking on behalf of or representing the Catholic church in some function (which, as an aside, might make this list a tad bit less inordinate random) which would increase the likelihood of finding valid, reliable third party sources that do not merely mention the religious aspect in passing. -- Seed 2.0 23:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, It's fundamentally different from List of Scientologist celebrities because:
 * Scientology and celebritism is actually linked to a huge degree. This is not a non-notable intersection. You always get talk of Scientology and actors and actresses in the media. You don't get the same thing to ANY degree with any other "religion" except perhaps Kaballah, which isn't really a religion but more of a religious activity. Plus scientogolists are usually self-professed. You're not born a scientologist like you might be born into the Catholic religion. Maybe some newborns are, but we're not concerned about that with most wikipedia articles.


 * Sourcing will be hard if not impossible because
 * Most celebrities don't advertise their religion, and if they do, they're already well known for it. Sourcing is going to be nimpossible (near impossible) if we need to look for direct statements from the celebrities themselves on their religious belief. Otherwise there are WP:BLP problems, privacy issues etc. I agree strongly with you that self-professed celebrities who publically speak of their religion could be included, however, those are few and if we DO do that then it would have to be for all religion/ethnicity/sexuality lists like it. Bulldog123 00:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent points. Delete it is. -- Seed 2.0 08:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Origional research--Sefringle 20:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete There are differences between categories on this and lists; lists (can) provide sourcing and don't contribute to bio cat clutter. Also, we have the great guideline on categorization on cross-section that is cited as the basis of the cat deletions to now. That said, here there is no real value and not the minimal hope of value of the cross section of Roman Catholics and entertainers, regardless of Nationality (here, Canadian). I may be persuaded that List of Canadian Roman Catholic politicians could stay, although I think Category:Canadian Roman Catholic politicians ought be deleted; because although we would be hard pressed to write an article Canadian Roman Catholic politics to keep the cat alive; there are perhaps some issues (like the US) that a politician's Roman Catholicism comes into play. Carlossuarez46 02:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Carlossuarez46. Pavel Vozenilek 00:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


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