Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Canadian military victories


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 21:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

List of Canadian military victories

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Follow-up to the recent deletion of List of conflicts in Canada, see Articles for deletion/List of conflicts in Canada. NLeeuw (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:OR ("battle victories by Canadians" could mean anything, before "Canada" even existed as an independent country);
 * mostly WP:UNSOURCED (1 source);
 * WP:NPOV (only listing "victories" gives a very one-sided, cherry-picked view of history);
 * strong WP:OVERLAP with / WP:REDUNDANTFORK (WP:POVFORK, given that only "victories" are listed) of better-sourced and more complete and balanced articles/lists:
 * Military history of Canada
 * List of wars involving Canada: 1003 – present
 * List of Canadian battles during the First World War (Canadian Expeditionary Force): 10 March 1915 – 5–7 November 1918
 * List of Canadian military operations: 1947 – present
 * Canadian peacekeeping: 1948–present.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Lists,  and Canada. NLeeuw (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Courtesy ping to participants in previous discussion for follow-up. Good day. NLeeuw (talk) 19:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Is there a defeats list? Conyo14 (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * LOL not really. There is a List of military disasters, which has been nominated for deletion 4 times, but I think it will not survive the next round.
 * Aside from the also very subjectively-looking Military victories against the odds, there are only articles on lists of aerial military victories:
 * List of World War II aces credited with 100 or more victories
 * List of combat victories of United States military aircraft since the Vietnam War
 * List of Iranian aerial victories during the Iran–Iraq war
 * List of Iraqi aerial victories during the Iran–Iraq war
 * List of World War I aces credited with 20 or more victories
 * List of aerial victories of Manfred von Richthofen
 * List of aerial victories of Erwin Böhme
 * List of aerial victories of Carl Menckhoff
 * List of aerial victories of Werner Voss
 * List of aerial victories of Otto Könnecke
 * List of aerial victories of Count Baron Kaiser Werner Pfeldlinger Fingerlickner von Hoeltschweinergmachtner
 * Ok not really, I made that last one up. Seriously though, I don't know why WW1 German pilots who managed to shoot down other planes merit a Guinness Book of Record-ish article praising how "cool" they were. Are there any articles about how many front soldiers a French nurse saved from death after treating their wounds? Arguably she deserves more praise from humanity.
 * Besides, aerial combat is notorious for overclaiming how many enemy aircraft one has been able to destroy or damage. (E.g. the Russian Ministry of Defence claims to have destroyed the entire Ukrainian Air Force several times over since 24 February 2022. Similarly, the Ghost of Kyiv was probably an exaggerated rumour on the other side). That's because it's very hard to verify, especially through visual confirmation, whether the enemy aircraft has actually been destroyed, as planes move so fast and quickly run out of sight. You might think you hit it, but did you bring it down? Your side usually does not control the alleged crash site, so you can't go there to take some pictures as evidence that you really shot someone down. So most of these lists of "aerial victories" might be full of unverifiable and unfalsifiable claims made only by one side of the conflict. Even if you could verify them, it does give you a very warped perspective of how combat-effective this person or this country was in war X or throughout history, and that is a bit of an WP:NPOV problem. NLeeuw (talk) 23:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What.... Category:Lists of World War I aerial victories...
 * Ok never mind, I need to go to sleep before I go mental hahaha. NLeeuw (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * All that for a simple "no" haha. Victory is very subjective. So, there is more ability to have subjective viewpoints on battles. As a grouping I'm not sure if this would pass WP:LISTN. I'll lean delete. Conyo14 (talk) 02:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess I got carried away by answering your question. NLeeuw (talk) 07:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Victories or defeats don't require a separate page. Dympies (talk) 03:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - List of wars involving Canada is a better home for this kind of material. Victories and defeats are not always absolute and well defined categories. Whizkin (talk) 20:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.