Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Caucasian Americans (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  d elete. - Mailer Diablo 10:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

List of Caucasian Americans (second nomination)

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Impossible to maintain, impossible to be exhaustive, and seems to have been created to make a point.Xnuala 22:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- SkierRMH 06:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Excuse me? What's inflammatory and divisive about a list of Caucasians? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by :68.58.123.110 (talk)
 * The nomination is not based on being inflammatory or divisive. It is about the list being inappropriate for an encyclopedic resource such as Wikipedia.Xnuala 22:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Er...um...then, why do we have a list of African Americans? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.58.123.110 (talk)


 * And is that list also being considered for deletion for the same reasons? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.163.3.35 (talk)


 * Strong Delete This list is redundant. There are already lists of Americans by the following European ethnicities: Albanian, Austrian, Belgian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Scots-Irish, Scottish, Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, Welsh. Suriel1981 23:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * And no, it's not appropriate for the list of African-Americans to be deleted, because lists also exist for virtually every other ethnicity which lives in numbers in the United States. As I have demonstrated. Suriel1981 23:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the link if anyone wants to check:   Suriel1981 23:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete a huge meta-list, unmaintainable, would have to be extremely long to be comprehensive Mostlyharmless 23:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per Mostlyharmless. 99of9 00:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete As already stated, there are already lists of Americans by ethnicity, so it's redundant. Also, I know the guy who started this list and why he did, so I remind him that Wikipedia is not a soapbox --Cyningaenglisc 00:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Too broad, sisyphean task to exhaustively fill, and who decides if [qudaroon[quintroons]](pardon the antiquarian term) are African Americans or Caucasian? What about the child, grandchild, great-grandchild of a mixed race person? messy messy idea, poking into that too deeply.ThuranX 01:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Speedy Delete -- you've gotta be kidding. --Mhking 01:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete as indeed completely unmaintainable. Why do I have visions of Bart Simpson being forced to type 546,765 pages of phone directory into this list?  Oh, and then being forced to maintain the list...  45 editors in 3 or so hours sounds like WP:POINT to me.  Shenme 01:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and I'd be the first to vote to delete my ethnic groups' list pages too. Of what use is List of Italian Americans or List of Irish Americans?? The major ethnic groups in the U.S. have so many people in them and so many prominent people that the lists are just too broad. And since Caucasians are the overwhelming majority, there's no point to this list either. Which, of course, everybody knows. I get the impression this is up for deletion as a cudgel to hit the List of African Americans, and that makes me wonder why no other ethnic group lists are up for deletion as well. Counterintuitive lists would work for Caucasians: Caucasian Soul singers, Caucasian Soul food chefs, Caucasian Blues musicians, Caucasian Chinese citizens, Caucasian sumo wrestlers, Caucasian Mongolians. Noroton 01:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment The ethnic lists for the large groups are just as "Impossible to maintain, impossible to be exhaustive," as Xnuala says this Caucasian list is. The List of Italian Americans is ridiculously incomplete and could be 20 times its current length and still not be exhaustive, and I'm sure you could say that for any of the six or seven major ethnic groups in America. So what's the point of them? Noroton 01:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as an indiscriminate list. A list with 100 million or more potential entries. Just, no. Otto4711 02:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as unmaintainable, an indiscriminate collection of info, and potentially way too huge. Dragomiloff 02:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for all the reasons given above that the list is too indiscriminate and unwieldy. - Itsfullofstars 02:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for same reasons I support deleting the African-Americans version. Way too broad, not useful in any way. 23skidoo 02:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete but only so long as the other similar race/ethnicity lists are deleted as well. Wikipedia's category system (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_by_ethnic_or_national_descent) would seem to accomplish everything that these lists could.  Plus, adding a category tag to an individual's article would be much simpler than adding an enormous number of people to a redundant list. Vicjm 03:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with Vicjm about having the same policy for all ethnic lists at once. I feel very, very uncomfortable with a phony "Caucasian" list up for deletion and the only real ethnic group whose list is up for deletion is African American. The exact same arguments could be made for all major ethnic group lists. I don't know how to nominate a lot of lists in one deletion discussion. I hope somebody else will. It seems it's the fair thing to do. Noroton 03:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, seems to have been created in violation of WP:POINT. NawlinWiki 04:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Since the list of African Americans seems to judge by skin color and includes Haitians and Jamaicans in addition to Africans, I believe that that list of Caucasian Americans is legitimate because the other lists so far that would include caucasians are based on nationality. Бог 10:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per several above Tom Harrison Talk 14:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Anyone who votes here may want to be consistent across all major ethnic groups by voting the same way (or not) at Articles for deletion/List of Chinese Americans where I've nominated the rest of the lists of people from the largest 20 ethnic groups in the U.S. for deletion, besides the African American list here: Articles for deletion/List of African Americans (3rd nomination). Noroton 19:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Question. Why does anyone assume that a "list of Group X" has to include all members of that group and not just the notable ones??  WP:NOT already covers this: there will never be 100 million people on this list and there never should be.  It's a non-issue!  That said, I express no opinion due to the quality (or lack thereof) of this list. -- Black Falcon 20:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Response Please see my response at Articles for deletion/List of African Americans (3rd nomination). (It's going to get very annoying conducting this discussion in three places. . . . ) Noroton 21:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Not only is it overly broad, but it's an obvious example of WP:POINT. (That said, even though you're not supposed to create an article to make a point, I think the person who created this article makes a strong point...  I am voting for deletion of any "List of people of a particular ethnicity" unless that ethnicity is so rare that the list of notable individuals is going to be no more than like 20 or 30 people) --Jaysweet 22:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * delete as an indiscriminate collection of facts (and categories exists and better organizes and updates list). Smmurphy(Talk) 23:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete According to the latest census, about 75% of American are white (that is about 270 million). Way too large and unmanageable. TJ Spyke 04:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for three reasons only. First, lists for majority groups do not make much sense.  Second, this list is redundant to existing lists by origin & natiionality.  Third, this list may have been created to make a WP:POINT: within the 44 minutes from its creation to its nomination for deletion, there were over 30 edits from 8 users.  -- Black Falcon 04:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Obviously. We have the individual X-American lists for all the cauacasian groups. Mad Jack 04:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep/split into sub-lists by primary occupation or reason for notability. Wl219 08:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, obviously created to make a WP:POINT. Krimpet 12:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - haven't read previous arguments, but this list might as well read List of people; it's far too inclusive. Part Deux 18:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Too broad. The US population is 300 million. If 75% are caucasian, this list could include up to 225 mil. people.Betnap 20:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


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