Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Courage the Cowardly Dog characters (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 15:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

List of Courage the Cowardly Dog characters
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This is an extensive list of characters that have no notability outside of the main series. Descriptions are written from the episode the characters appear in, and that's all. Notable voice actors could easily be inserted (if not already contained in) the main episode list or the main article. The references page falls to pieces without 1st-party (references to the series itself) citations. Paper Luigi T • C 09:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. If I may quote from the previous AfD: "Keep The nomination is merely an incomplete assertion. The article is a pragmatic spin-off from another article where its independent coverage is manifest." The arguments from the first AfD appear to remain applicable here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The article's references are very poor. If we remove all first-party citations (those referencing the series itself), we are left with an obituary for one of the voice actors, a list of voice actors, and a dead link to an article mentioning one of the voice actors. This series features numerous one-off antagonists and characters whose mentions in this WP article are baffling considering notability standards. There is nothing worth keeping in this article that could not be integrated into the main article or episode list. I cannot agree with the idea that this article's "independent coverage is manifested" when nearly all of its references are to the series itself. Paper Luigi  T • C 10:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So you might have intended to make a merge proposal, not a deletion proposal. As a proposed deletion, though, it's an obvious (to me) Keep. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 11:24, 27 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:07, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Selective merge to Courage the Cowardly Dog; once all the single-episode characters with no secondary references are removed it won't be excessive there. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * A merge proposal should be handled separately, if this article is kept from this AfD, so that Courage the Cowardly Dog readers and watcher can be alerted by the merge proposal hatnotes and participate in the discussion. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources. The subject passes Notability, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "Courage the Cowardly Dog characters" has been treated as a "a group or set by independent reliable sources". Sources   The book notes: For this, his only reward was a token pat on the head from Muriel and a snarled "Stupid dog!" from Eustace. Further conspiring to make Courage's life miserable were a variety of natural perils (flood, fires, tornadoes) and an evil red cat (and local hotel owner!) named Katz, who skulked around on his hind legs plotting all manner of crimes against humanity. Other recurring characters include snot-nosed science punk Di Lung, elderly Eustace's even more elderly mother "Ma," wacko fortune teller Shirley, incompetent medico Dr. Vindaloo, malevolent French duck Le Quack, and the community's one-and-only media celebrity, The Nowhere Newsman.  The book notes: "This rather surrealistic cartoon centered on Courage, a plump pink dog who was afraid of almost everything. Abandoned as a pup, he now lived in a big ramshackle house in the middle of 'Nowhere, Kansas' (portrayed as a vast empty plain), with his elderly owners, kindly white-haired Muriel and her cranky husband, Eustace. The place was regularly invaded by aliens and monsters bent on demolishing it and its inhabitants, and it was up to Courage, with chattering teeth and frightened look, to outwit them. He got some help from his talking Computer, but none from self-centered Eustace, who could only mutter, 'Stupid dog!' Katz was an evil red cat who walked on his hind legs and caused much trouble; Di Lung, a punk kid with a scientific bent; and Ma, Euastace's irritable mother."  The book notes: "Courage the Cowardly Dog ... Clueless owners: Eustace and Muriel Bagge Antagonists: Dr. Le Quack, Katz the Cat, The Alien Chicken, Di Lung" The book also discusses individual episodes and the characters in them: Professor Mean in "Curtain of Cruelty" (2002), a "gigantic intergalactic human girl" named Tulip in "Tulip's Worm" (2002), the King of Flan in "King of Flan" (2002), Dr. Gerhart and the Bagge family in "House Calls" (2002), and Wremole and Giant Foot in "Ball of Revenge" (2002). </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:41, 10 December 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Notability further says: "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles." I oppose a merge to Courage the Cowardly Dog because it would result in the loss of a lot of the material (which can be sourced to primary sources and the book A Celebration of Animation: The 100 Greatest Cartoon Characters in Television History which discusses some of the individual episodes ) to comply with Due weight. I agree with at Articles for deletion/List of Courage the Cowardly Dog characters: "A series' characters are obviously an integral part of that series, so they have to be described to some extent, even if only from primary sources. And whether such a character list is substantial enough to merit splitting off into a standalone list is an editorial decision." Cunard (talk) 05:41, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is significant coverage JesusMoreno89 (talk) 08:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


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