Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dave Meltzer's Five Star Matches


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. 1ne 22:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Dave Meltzer's Five Star Matches
Wrestlingcruft. Does not establish notability of subject. Article even notes that it's subjective. wikipediatrix 03:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't think that the subjective you refer to applies to the article itself, which is wholly objective. -- Koffieyahoo 04:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unencyclopedic listcruft. -- Koffieyahoo 04:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete RobJ1981 05:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Koffie, who does, it should be said, properly observe that the article objectively and verifiably presents the subjective views of an individual but that such views are unencyclopedic. Joe 05:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That was precisely my own point - that the article is a list of Meltzer's opinions, rather than facts. wikipediatrix 05:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete —  listcruft M  a  rtinp23  13:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the problem with this article. For me it's useful and interesting and also helps people to decide which matches worth watching! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.72.69.108 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete listcruft. Baseball,Baby!   balls  •  strikes  20:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is cruft of the highest order -- Deville (Talk) 22:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Nintendude list. Danny Lilithborne 23:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * DONT DELETE. This is a useful article and it just shows the opinion of one man no subjection — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.108.24 (talk • contribs)
 * DONT DELETE! This page is very helpful for me and a lot of other people I know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.79.92 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete It's nothing more than the opinion of a very biased person.TJ Spyke 23:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - ironically the same can be said about your opinion in this discussion TJ Spyke. I'm also confused as to how such an article wasn't listed at WP:PW as this is a pretty notable article in wrestling and the opinions are broad on the topic of Dave Meltzer. --- Lid 09:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * KEEp- I added a note to the article explaining that the list is picked solely by him and may be subject to biased. Its still a intresting article for many wrestling fans. I believe it makes a good reference point for fans. Warmon 14:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete - This is a VERY good reference site that many people use when looking for great matches. Maybe it should be Merged with the WO main page, but it should not be deleted under any circumstances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.97.6.148 (talk • contribs)
 * Meltzer has a bias against WWE(and WCW before it went out of business) and this is nothing more than his opinions. Besides, this would be worse than having a page of movies that got 2 thumbs up from Siskel & Ebert/Ebert & Roper. TJ Spyke 21:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into Dave Meltzer's or the WO main article. Not really worth a full page, but reference-worthy. Drjayphd 00:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep since both Dave Meltzer and the Wretling Observer Newsletter are considered to be one of the most respected true news sources in pro wrestling I can't see how this is not notable. I would prefer my vote to be Merge but since the choice right now seems to be between Delete and Keep I have to vote for keep. If the choice comes down to Keep or Merge then you can shift my vote to the latter. Sorry I forgot to sign my name Stephen Day 04:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Listcruft and just nn. Burgwerworldz 03:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Roger Ebert is just as respected in the movie industry but you don't see a page devoted to movies he's given high ratings(or thumbs-up ratings) to, do you? No, it's because of the same reason why this page shouldn't exist. TJ Spyke 03:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If somebody created such a page my reaction would be the same, it does have its place, but its as a part of the Dave Meltzer (or Roger Ebert in case of the example) page. If its a choice between Delete and Keep however, I'd say Keep in both cases. Stephen Day 04:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Just one more point I thought should be added for clarifacation. Its not really accurate to compare this list to a list of movies Roger Ebert has given thumbs up to. Meltzer so rarely gives five stars to matches that In a great many circles this list is considered to be an equilivent to a list of the greatest pro wrestling matches ever. Keeping that in mind only increases my thought that this information has its place here. Stephen Day 19:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would be OK with merging it into the Dave Meltzer article. I prefer to Delete it, but a Merge would be acceptable to me. TJ Spyke 04:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep or Merge. Either way, don't delete. Meltzer isn't just a respected critic, he is THE respected critic of wrestling. His accolades mean quite a lot to the industry and its fans. BM2 04:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It sounds like TJSpyke is very biased against someone he finds so biased. Get over. Any kind of list like this will be subjective, but this is probably one of the most respected lists of the best matches in wrestling history from 1980 to now that covers ALL wrestling, not just mainstream. Pages like this expose people to other promotions, other wrestlers, and matches they'd never watch otherwise. TJ Spyke is just upset because Dave Meltzer didn't go hog wild for Shelton Benjamin and Shawn Michaels. Well, Meltzer doesn't get upset when you don't go hog wild for the matches he lists as *****. Seriously, TJ Spyke just hates Meltzer and his opinion in this subject matter is not valid because of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.97.6.148 (talk • contribs)
 * My personal opinion of Meltzer has nothing to do with this, I would vote for Delete/Merge even if I agreed with him. TJ Spyke 21:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You've been moaning about this thing just because it's not in line with your opinion on what's a 5 Star Match. Look at it like this. Wikipedia should have a list of the greatest wrestling matches. THIS IS THE CLOSEST TO THAT AND IT IS THE MOST RESPECTED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.97.6.148 (talk • contribs)
 * Learn to sign your posts, and maybe register. Why does Wikipedia need a list of what matches 1 person thinks are great? This is just his opinion. TJ Spyke 00:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ...because this one person is the most respected critic in the industry. No other man really comes close in terms of influence. When people talk about a match being a 5-Star match, they are usually referring to a match that Meltzer has awarded 5 stars. BM2 00:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete While i respect Meltzer, i do not think this deserves it's own page and is just listcruft. 67.137.12.144 00:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


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