Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Deputy Ministers of Religious Affairs (Indonesia)


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The result was merge to List of Ministers of Religious Affairs (Indonesia). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:43, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

List of Deputy Ministers of Religious Affairs (Indonesia)

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The position is not notable enough for a list to be encyclopedic  DGG ( talk ) 04:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Huh. I guess you're not an Indonesian. You may see in the newest social studies books of Indonesia, the position is now included in the books.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 04:48, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


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 * delete assistant secretaries are not notable as a group, although some individual assistant secretaries might be notable.NotButtigieg (talk) 06:55, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Consider Merge into List of Ministers of Religious Affairs (Indonesia). Israeli lists have both ministers and deputy ministers which seems to work well. buidhe 08:37, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge Fair to include the second-in-command with the main cabinet member article to preserve information about the position. Reywas92Talk 20:36, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. To be clear, in the Canadian context that I'm knowledgeable about, a "Minister" is a political officeholder who automatically passes NPOL by virtue of being a Member of Parliament, while a "Deputy Minister" is a civil servant who does not automatically pass NPOL and doesn't get a Wikipedia article at all if he or she can't clear GNG on the sourcing. I can't speak with any certainty to how the Indonesian political system works — but Nasaruddin Umar, the one holder of this title who does have a Wikipedia article, is not described by his article as having ever been a member of the People's Consultative Assembly, so I suspect that the titles work the same way in Indonesia. (And if he has been a member of the assembly, then his article needs to be updated to actually reflect that.) Accordingly, it would be perfectly reasonable to have a list of the deputy ministers as a subsection of the list of minister ministers, but a separate standalone list is not warranted. Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


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