Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Digimon Xros Wars characters


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The result was   Keep CBD 22:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

List of Digimon Xros Wars characters

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No out-of-universe context or notability, no independent sources. Content is just OR plot. Does not meet WP:GNG. Crusio (talk) 16:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As with every other TV show character list I've seen recently at AFD, this one asks the wrong questions. Obviously a necessary part of any coverage of a notable TV series is a summary description of its characters.  So the only relevant question is whether the content, if excessive detail is trimmed, is too large to fit into the parent article at Digimon Xros Wars such that a standalone list is necessary.  See, e.g., Articles for deletion/List of The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy characters, Articles for deletion/List of characters in Camp Lazlo, Articles for deletion/List of The Powerpuff Girls characters.  postdlf (talk) 18:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment ONe thing you need for that are independent reliable sources, otherwise you just have some editor sitting down one afternoon writing down some opinions and thoughts about characters (i.e., OR). I don't see good independent RS, so this fails WP:V as well as WP:GNG. --Crusio (talk) 21:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A work of fiction is a reliable source for its own contents, as are fan guides authored or licensed by the work's creators, even though none of those would be considered independent. They can be relied upon for simple, uncontroversial descriptions of the fiction.  For example, "Han Solo is a smuggler and freighter pilot hired by Ben and Luke" is easily verifiable from Star Wars itself; "Han Solo is a handsome rogue, seemingly selfish but with a heart of gold" dips into subjective interpretation and so would require express attribution to a source commenting on Star Wars.  OR does not prohibit your own reliance on primary sources such as the work of fiction you are describing; it prohibits original statements that are not verifiable by reliable sources regardless of whether those sources are primary or secondary.  Independence of the source is much less of an issue in this context as well (once you've already determined that the work is notable through independent sources), particularly since in most cases the work's own authors are going to be the most authoritative about its contents and intent.  For example, you do not need to cite to the independent critic Roger Ebert for the fact that Han Solo is a character in Star Wars, or that Harrison Ford played him (and it would be silly to do so); this is easily verifiable from the film itself, or any number of official Star Wars books.  As long as you're not relying on such primary sources for POV self-promotional statements, such as "Han Solo is the greatest film character ever."  postdlf (talk) 23:10, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete - excessively detailed plot only coverage of non-notable characters. --Anthem 18:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: Anthem of joy has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Claritas. —Farix (t &#124; c) 18:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Reasonable spin-out list that gives some depth to each character's roll in the plot of the work without causing the main article to lose its focus. While there are a lot of incidental characters on the list, which I've tired to remove with no success, that is not a reason for deletion. Thankfully, none of the individual character descriptions are overly detail. Original research issues should be addressed individually. —Farix (t &#124; c) 18:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Valid spin off article for a list of characters of a series, Orginal research can always be removed, and references have been slowly added here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep but perhaps it should be trimmed down to focus only on the main groups and any notable supporting characters. Evilgidgit (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Let this page stay. We have worked so hard on it and it has served as a good character page for this show's characters. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would like to point out that the previous five Digimon seasons all have character lists, and all of their major characters have their own articles. Why are all character articles for Xros Wars being deleted? Evilgidgit (talk) 21:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There are twm possibilities. One, the characters from the other season have gotten move coverage therefore meet the notability guidelines. Two, Digimon articles have only recently received attention and the character articles for the other seasons should be merged and or deleted as well.--76.69.169.220 (talk) 21:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: The list is a plot-only description of a fictional work and the references used to generate the content are primary sources, so there is no evidence that as a stand-alone article it meets the general notability guideline. As the article falls into what Wikipedia is not by being plot-only, it is not suitable for the criteria of appropriate topics for lists. The list itself is an unnecessary split of Digimon Xros Wars, which has an article size of 27.4 KB, which means it's below the recommended article size, the only reason that I see to justify a split of plot-only content. As the majority of the content in the list is not even referenced and that which is relies on primary sources and apparently original research by synthesis in some points, and also gives undue weight to minor characters, I don't see a good reason to merge the content into the main article, which already covers the main characters, more than enough given the current sources. Jfgslo (talk) 14:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - valid, substantial list and per everyone else. Simply south...... digging mountains for 5 years 00:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep this valid spin-out list per Farix and Rtkat3's reasonings.. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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