Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Disney Channel stars (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 07:44, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Disney Channel stars
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Article is an unreferenced list that fails point one of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. After an unsuccessful prod I discovered that this article had been deleted after a previous AfD so I nominated for speedy delete (GSD G4) which was also declined. The original AfD resulted in a "Delete" consensus and the article was subsequently deleted. The category that it had been compared to was deleted a month later after a CFD. List of Disney Channel stars was recreated on 8 October 2007. This was apparently never detected, so it wasn't deleted under CSD G4 then, (if it had this AFD wouldn't have been necessary!) and the article has progressively been expanded. However, it remains an unreferenced list of names of actors who have appeared in Disney Channel programs

Reasons for rejection of the prod were:
 * "the refs are in the linked articles" - Wikipedia articles can not be used as references. References should be included in the subject article, not in another article.
 * "and essentially all of them are notable enough to have them" - That the actors linked to might be notable is irrelevant. Notability does not automatically extend to another article.

As it stands, List of Disney Channel stars is simply an unreferenced, indiscriminate directory of Disney Channel actors (not all of them actual "stars") with links to one or more articles that they have appeared in. Some of the listed actors aren't even notable enough to have their own articles. Josie Tysoe, for example, doesn't have an article and isn't listed in Camp Rock, the program in which she allegedly appeared. Others who do have articles, such as Adrian R'Mante, are not stars in the programs attributed. Adrian R'Mante, while appearing in The Suite Life of Zack & Cody, was never credited as part of the main cast. Lack of references in this article also make it difficult to identify vandalism, such as this, unless the vandal is persistant.

While the article has been expanded since its recreation, the expansion has not improved it to the point where its retention is justified and the decision of the original AfD should stand. AussieLegend (talk) 05:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I declined the deletion, and asked AussieLegend to bring it here-- the last discussion was 23 months ago, the article is changed since then, and I furthermore think consensus on this sort of lists has changed. I would have brought it myself, except for the confusion of my listing an article for deletion and then saying there is no reason for it to be deleted. First, as for sources: The criterion for deletion is not unsourced, but unsourceable. If the links are in the primary articles, they can be added. Personally, I don;t think it necessary, because if it were, we could never write summary style articles. Its not that the references are  is the other article, but that it makes use of the other article's references. If anyone thinks the distinction important, they are at liberty to add them.  As for notability, a list of notable things, characters, or people that are sufficiently notable to have Wikipedia articles about them is justified--lists do not have to prove that the concept of making a list of them has  been discussed by RSs, or we would have almost no lists at all. If some of them are not notable, they can be either removed or justified at the article with sources. We don;t delete  entire articles because a small portion of it is incorrect or not sourceable.  FWIW, I would not necessarily support articles like this for less important groups of works.    DGG ( talk ) 17:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - If the lack of references isn't a reason for deleting the article, and I do agree that on its own it isn't, then it shouldn't have been the main reason for declining the prod, the main point of which was that the article fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The lack of references was mentioned because it is a factor that makes this an article of questionable value. The article is now two years old and not a single reference has been added, or is likely to be added. As such, the validity of the entries is questionable despite wikilinks. (See my earlier comments on Josie Tysoe for an example) WP:NOTDIRECTORY states that "Wikipedia articles are not lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional)." This is clearly a list of real and sometimes fictional people, so the policy says it's not Wikipedia. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 04:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment As if to confirm my earlier comments, this edit added "A * states that the stars are not actual Disney stars and are former Disney stars" and tagged 15 actors who aren't Disney stars in an article that supposedly lists Disney stars. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Appears to be a list of everyone who appeared in a Disney production (series or TV film), including one-shot guest star appearances. Closer to fancruft than serious encyclopedic research. Warrah (talk) 14:13, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Factual errors aside, this page is nothing more than a jumbled assortment of any actor even remotely associated with the Disney channel. Suitable for a catagory, not an article. Angrysockhop  ( talk to me ) 20:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above; there are some uncompletable lists on Wikipedia that deserve inclusion, but this isn't one of them, and that's not even touching on the notability argument. KaySL (talk) 20:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per most "delete" recommendations above. This list has no clear criteria for inclusion. Brooke Shields is listed for appearing in just three episodes of Hannah Montana, and Vicki Lawrence for four episodes of the same show. Does appearing on three or four episodes make a person a "star" of a television network? I don't think so. Furthermore, as noted by AussieLegend above, some of the people on the list are asterisked to indicate that they "are not actual Disney stars", which is an odd characterization for people on a "list of Disney Channel stars". --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:04, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.