Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Doctor Dolittle characters


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The result was keep. Legoktm (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

List of Doctor Dolittle characters

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Fails WP:GNG, list of characters written about from an WP:INUNIVERSE point of view. Two its four references listed are WP:PRIMARY. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Literature,  and Lists. Skynxnex (talk) 19:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep 1) Lists of individually NN things associated with N franchises, such as character lists are described in WP:CSC and hence routinely kept, in large part because of my other justifications, 2) These characters span multiple film, television, and book depictions, so there is nowhere else to reasonably merge this content, and 3) the characters are themselves covered in a non-trivial way in multiple academic sources, such as A Dr. Dolittle Circus, Anxieties of an Animal Rights Activist:The Pressures of Modernity in Hugh Lofting's Doctor Dolittle Series, Children’s Literature of 1922: Historicity and Modernism in Margery Williams’ Velveteen Rabbit and Hugh Lofting’s The Voyages of Doctor Dolittle... which represent about 5 minutes' of work with Google Scholar. No objection to improving the article, but there's no policy-based reason to delete it instead of cleaning it up. Jclemens (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what your point is with these results. They're academic sources, not about the characters in the Doctor Dolittle series, but about the series itself. The list fails WP:NLIST, these characters haven't been discussed or analysed in RS'es.
 * Furthermore, doesn't WP:V matter at all? Notability is not WP:INHERITED, just because WP:ITEXISTS. I'm not going to be a WP:POINTy dick and blank nearly the entire article since it is for the most part completely WP:UNSOURCED. And if delete isn't the result, what's there to merge? There's nothing actually worth keeping here. Nothing I'd consider encyclopedia: creation, development, reception, legacy. It just retells the stories from the characters. Like Great Glass Sea Snail: "This enormous undersea mollusk with a transparent airtight shell is injured when the mysterious floating Spider Monkey Island finally comes to rest in The Voyages of Doctor Dolittle. The animals arrange for him to ferry Dr. Dolittle and his party back through the ocean to Puddleby. In the 1967 film, Dolittle resigns himself to living abroad for the rest of his life due to the price on his head issued by General Bellowes. The [renamed] Great Pink Sea Snail takes Matthew, Tommy, Emma and a host of small animals from the [renamed] Sea Star Island back to England.'"


 * Not enough relevant coverage in third-party sources to meet the WP:GNG, not enough out-of-universe to meet WP:NOT and unsourced. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 06:35, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Surely you know more and better than this about our policy. WP:NEXIST, WP:SAL, WP:DINC... Plot summaries that describe characters are independent RS for those characters; we don't need a "list of X characters" source to have a list on the X franchise's characters. Jclemens (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


 * More sources include an on-point RS just about the voice cast of the latest movie: Meet the Voice Cast of Dolittle
 * Other Google News items I ran across while googling “Dolittle polynesia” include Dolittle Is Different From The Books — & It’d Be A Huge Problem If It Didn’t, Robert Downey Jr. chats with animals, sets sail in first trailer for 'Dolittle', Catch a Glimpse of Selena Gomez-Voiced Giraffe in New ‘Dolittle’ Trailer, Ginny Tyler, Mouseketeer, Dies at 86 (NYT), Balancing Photorealism and Animal Personality in DOLITTLE. Scholar search with the same string finds Doctor Dolittle for Real? Raising Questions About Interspecies Communications, The Craft of the Cobbler's Son: Tommy Stubbins and the Narrative Form of the Doctor Dolittle Series. The fact is that individual characters and the characters as a whole have received multiple, independent, non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. Jclemens (talk) 21:13, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge to Doctor Dolittle, which needs to be rewritten from fictional character fancrufty bio with trivia into a proper article about the notable book series in question. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If there were a series or franchise article, that would indeed be a plausible merge. However, the proposed target article is the fictional depiction of the central character in the books and other media adaptations. Merging a list of characters article into another character article is problematic. Creating a central article on the franchise and rewriting the rest into summary style would be ideal... who has time to do that? Jclemens (talk) 07:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and rewrite/clean-up. A lot of WP:PLOT info that makes this poorly constructed. But it's probably notable, and better as an aggregate than several articles. I agree with Jclemens that it's hard to find an appropriate merge target between several related articles. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:34, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the claims of and . --Rtkat3 (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: I am in agreement with Jclemens on this one. I believe this list needs a lot of work, but I do think this is notable enough to warrant this list. Aoba47 (talk) 22:56, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jclemens and others above. Removing the list would unnecessarily weaken our coverage of a significant series of novels and related media. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jclemens. Although the list needs some work, it is still notable enough to stay on Wikipedia. JML1148 (Talk &#124; Contribs) 00:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


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