Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of East Asian and Southeast Asian countries by population


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 21:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

List of East Asian and Southeast Asian countries by population

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This is a pointless article. It is just a table with a list of countries from two regions, there are other pages out there that contain the same data Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Agreed that there's really no point to this article. Half of this article's information can be found in the Southeast Asian article which is actually more up to date and reliable. The Southeast Asia article uses population data for July 2009 as opposed to 2008 for this article. Population's for the countries in this article can be found on the Asia article also. Although the primary source this article uses is the US census, their population figures are not totally reliable. Look at the Philippines and Indonesia for example. They are both off and their 2009 figures are even more off. This is the same reason why we don't use CIA/UN Census figures for other countries on List of countries by population. If we really wanted to keep the information for East Asia, we can just move it to the East Asia article. Otherwise, this article is not a good source of information and is not needed. Elockid ( Talk·Contribs ) 22:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a legitimate reference. Technically, Asia includes places like Israel and Saudi Arabia, that most people don't tend to think of as being "Asian".  Since there is no agreed-upon definition for what some people still  refer to as "the Orient", East Asia and Southeast Asia would be the substitute.  We have a spin off called List of Middle East countries by population despite having List of Asian countries by population.  Mandsford (talk) 15:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: legitimate reference doesn't mean that the reference is good or reliable. The combination in my opinion is awkward and I don't even get the reason for the combination as Southeast Asia is culturally and economically tied and influenced to both South and East Asia. So why isn't South Asia in there then? South Asians are also referred to as "Asian" in some countries like the US and the UK. In terms of what the Orient is, I commonly hear people say China or Japan (East Asia) and not countries like Indonesia and Malaysia (Southeast Asia). Elockid ( Talk·Contribs ) 16:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment, Mandsford's comments here are at best POV, at worst shows a reckless bias and complete lack of geographic understanding. Comments like 'Asia includes places like Israel and Saudi Arabia, that most people don't tend to think of as being "Asian must never become the basis for article creation on Wikipedia. From his/her point of view, he/she does not think that half of Asia is part of Asia, so wants to "redefine" a new, arbitrary region (cherrypicking) for what substitutes their view on the world. This is a dangerous line of though, and something that must be avoided at all costs on this project. Arsenikk (talk)  08:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL! I appreciate the kind words, my friend.  Mandsford (talk) 14:41, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Arsenikk's statement is 100% accurate. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * That my dangerous line of thought is "something that must be avoided at all costs"? The suggestion that I'm going to cause Asia to be redefined is flattering.  Once the wheels are set in motion, it may well be too late....  Mandsford (talk) 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete It's duplicated, we haven't lost anything. I seem to remember getting involved in editing this because of POV fights about who or what was in these asian sub-regions. It can go. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
 * Delete redundant to other articles, most notably List of Asian countries by population. Arsenikk (talk)  08:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete under WP:CSD as this sub-set of a larger list lacks any verifiable source to identify it as being suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, let alone a verifiable defintion to demonstrate that this is, in some way, a statistically significant categorization. This list fails the basic principle that Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 17:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and Merge Certainly not a speedy delete. But I think List of Asian countries by population should cover it. This article in its own right however does have some significance in terms of ASEAN and other infra regional frameworks and is hardly our least encyclopedic article.. But it could easily be covered in the main asian list. ‡ Himalayan ‡  ΨMonastery 09:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, do not merge since the article is redundant with List of Asian countries by population. Besides WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, the example of the list for the Middle East is not relevant as the Middle East is an intercontinental region. It would only project on Latin America, if we already disregard Other Stuff. The list of East Asian and Southeast Asian countries by population is a rather random bunch of regions within the continent Asia. gidonb (talk) 18:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.