Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Egged bus lines (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Stifle (talk) 12:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Egged bus lines
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Wikipedia is not a directory, requires frequent updates. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.   -- Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  11:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.   -- Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  11:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose This information lacks on the web, it is not found on Egged's website. I will challenge your two points:
 * About it being a list: There are plenty of transportation-related lists. See for example American Airlines destinations - in fact, the entire category Category:Airline_destinations. Thus, there is a very good precedent for transportation-related lists. This in itself is not at all a reason for deletion.
 * About the fact that this list needs frequent updates: it really doesn't tneed all that frequent updates (how often does Egged change its lines, once every few years at most). And I have seen plenty of updates by random anonymous (both registered and anonymous) users who added lines and modified lines in the list. Can you show me places where the information on the list is false and/or outdated? I don't think your reason of "requires frequent updates" is relevent; there are plenty of articles that require frequent updates, and I do not even think this is one of them. The article George W. Bush needs a lot more updates; are you going to propose deleting that article also?\
 * Now, as you see: there is no reason to delete the article. Both of your pro-deletion arguments are easily defeated. I suggest you to withdraw the nomination. --Piz d&#39;Es-Cha (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * One more: check Category:Bus routes in England - an entire category of lists of this type. So your arguments are hereby completely defeated. One more up, we have an entire category: Category:Bus routes. I once more suggest that, in the light of these facts, you consider to withdraw the nomination. --Piz d&#39;Es-Cha (talk) 13:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep introduction, which is good and encyclopaedic; Move to Egged bus lines; and Delete the lists and substitute a link to the company website.  Bus services are libale to change periodically.  The company will pay some one to maintain its own website, but not WP.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Peter, here another remark: could you tell me where else people can find this information? Say I want to travel from Arad to Safed - which lines am I supposed to take? This line can help people avoid unnecessary mistakes. For example, try searching on www.egged.co.il/eng for Jerusalem - Qiryat Gat: it will tell you there is only 1 line, namely the 446. While I myself can personally assure you that there is also another line, I think 554 (a Mehadrin line) there; I've used it myself... Yet I cannot even find this line on the Egged website, at all! While I see the buses of this line driving around quite often... And no, this is not related to it being a Mehadrin line; others, such as the 402, 982, 418, 450 and 451 do appear on their website. In short: this list provides a function that Egged itself does not provide. There is no other place where anybody can get a clear overview of Egged's lines. Now you might not find this so very interesting, but there are definitely those who do. Could you give a clearer argument for why you think that this page should (still) be deleted, if you still wish to have it deleted? --Piz d&#39;Es-Cha (talk) 13:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the 554 (I found this info on the Egged website) - you were probably looking for the wrong destination in Qiryat Gat. In most cases, you can find the info, without knowing which stops to check, under "route with 2 lines". The 402 is on the Jerusalem-Bnei Brak list; 450 and 451 can be found on the "3 bus lines" link - they go to neither bus station, aparently; 982 is on the Jerusalem-Safed list.
 * However, Wikipedia isn't supposed to deal with the fact that the Egged website (and probably several other websites on the Internet) are organized badly in such a way that the information is hard to find, since Wikipedia is not an index. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - there is a precedent to this kind of list, such as the one pointed out above (American Airlines destinations). I was one of the main opponents of turning this list into an index/directory, and right now it's fairly encyclopedic, giving basic useful information, without going into unnecessary detail. There was a discussion in the past where certain users sought to convert the list into a sort of interactive travel directions tool (similar to the Egged website), and again, I was this idea's main opponent, and it thankfully didn't come to pass. Frequent updates is not an issue whatsoever, I can point to hundreds of articles which require more frequent updates. Only the Ministry of Transportation can approve bus route changes, so major stations are changed extremely rarely. This will become even easier when Egged gets rid of more lines. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - The purpose of this article is not (exclusively) to help people plan trips. It is an encyclopedic list of the bus lines, which has its place in Wikipedia (see above American Airlines discussion). -ReuvenkT C 07:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. If this information is not on their website, can I ask where it is coming from? If it is say, coming from a printed map, or a pdf map (I haven't checked the article), that's probably fine as it is verifiable. If it is coming from personal observations on particular days out, then I think we have a problem. MickMacNee (talk) 01:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is coming from information which is on their site, and which you can find if you make the correct query. There is usually notice about changes, although not necessarily; such notification is usually gone within a couple weeks. The information seems to only be available in Hebrew. There's been complaints in the local press that Egged doesn't always run every bus on the schedule, and that a lot of busses are frequently late. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. per Reuvenk. Also, "requires frequent updates" is not a valid reason to delete an article. Also, this is not a list of kindergartens in Xanadu, but a list of bus lines of a countrywide bus service provider. Admiral Norton (talk) 14:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


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