Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English civil wars


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The result was   keep. Courcelles 23:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

List of English civil wars

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This "list" actually acts more like a disambiguation page than a list. I thought of turning it into one, but the page already exists at English Civil War (disambiguation), making this unnecessary. The Evil IP address (talk) 15:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The list contains other civil wars that are not included in the page you provided. TYelliot  &#124;  Talk  &#124;  Contribs  15:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep as the list describes more than just the English Civil War and complements existing lists such as List of wars involving England. (I don't intend this as an WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument, more a reflection that the article similarly aids in quantifying conflict involving England). ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 21:17, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep – Per Wikipedia is not a directory, the article's inclusion on Wikipedia is appropriate, as the article has an organized focus and is not, per Wikipedia directory guidelines, like "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics". The article completely passes all eight points of WP:NOTDIRECTORY guidelines. Furthermore, the article and is functional and appropriate as a Wikipedia article in list format. Northamerica1000 (talk) 00:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename The list is valid, but it would be better moved to "List of civil wars in England", which would avoid confusion with the mid-17th century wars and would have less suggestion of a dab page.-- SabreBD  (talk)  06:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I respectfully oppose that particular renaming as Revolt of 1173–1174 shows that significant parts of one of the wars took place outside of England. Perhaps there's a case for renaming as "List of British civil wars" and emcompassing conflicts in Scotland and Wales? ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 07:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Unfortunately there is no way of hermetically sealing the wars off. The 17th century wars spilled over into Ireland. Many conflicts also spill over into modern France.-- SabreBD  (talk)  07:29, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Good point and I certainly see the case for "English civil wars" having potential for confusion, especially as the "English Civil War" had three distinct components. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 14:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per Northamerica. It matches all factors for keeping, and our core readership - students - would likely be seeking this formatted information. Bearian (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't fall foul of policies and guidelines, it seems to me. I think renaming it is a good idea, though I'd love to see some expert on the English/England/British thing weigh in. Drmies (talk) 17:03, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Response - English civil wars is appropriate as the conflicts listed were between factions trying to control the Kingdom of England. My issue with renaming as Civil wars in England was that nowadays "England" refers solely to a geographical region, not a nation state (the United Kingdom is the nation state), so that title could be interpreted as referring only to conflicts within the boundaries of England (whereas they spilled out into other areas). As for British, the disambiguation page can explain better than I! ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 20:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep seems notable and verifiable. Dzlife (talk) 13:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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